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Canada should move towards integration with Europe instead of the U.S.
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It’s time to part ways with the toxic US.
this post was submitted on 27 Apr 2025
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No thanks.
We have enough right-wingers in Europe already.
So, when you generalize canada in your mind right-wingers is what comes to mind? Or just the govt?
This is from a European view and while not the US the political spectrum suffers from the same problem.
What some Canadians consider left is only relative.
So this is your 'liberal' party?:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/12/30/cypl-d30.html
And it's a simple verifiable fact that voters decide on the goverment, so maybe it's only in your mind that they're not right-wingers.
Maybe it's an uncomfortable truth?
Almost 45% of our voting population are voting for the Conservatives. That’s a lot of people who desperately want to be the 51st state and live under authoritarianism and fascism.
Why they don’t just move there is beyond me. I would gladly see every single Conservative voter move to the America they want us to be. Canada don’t need them or their kind.
If we write off the US what does that do to our standard of living?
Assuming pipelines are obviously orders of magnitude more efficient than shipping by tanker. It also then still requires a pipeline to the east coast as a first step, which we cant get built due to Quebec, who ironically import all their energy from the US. All these costs and we then have to compete with countries on that continent who can build pipelines to Europe.
Given our small population we are the 4th largest exporter of oil and our loonie essentially tracks oil prices, hence it makes up such a large component of our standard of living. This idea we can pivot seems silly at first glance, but I'd like a differing opinions if one exists.
Maybe if we are so economically dependent on a finite substance that damages every part of the planet it touches, we should think of changing the priorities of our economy. Quebec is great at producing energy with its hydroelectric plants generating about 1/3 of all electricity generated in Canada. Quebec is also decent at saving energy being only the 8th largest energy use per capita of the provinces.
It is just wrong to claim Quebec imports all its energy from the US when Quebec actually exports a lot of electricity to the US while importing fossil fuels. Quebec could be far more energy independent if it focused on electrifying more stuff, the opposite is true for fossil fuels in Quebec.
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Given your comment history, I doubt it - and definitely not a representing one.
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…what an odd euro-wannabe…
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…so you say…and even so that would only say where you live, not who/what you are…
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At least we now know what you are full of. And not European, clearly, given the logic in your comments.
Wrong.
Canada should join BRICS
Nah, those countries that are behind that are authoritarians.
As expected from a lemmy.ml comment...
Hungary is in the EU, but they're white so it doesn't bother you.
@Sunshine@lemmy.ca said those countries are authoritarian, and your response is to say "so is this one, and you're racist"?
You're not even denying Sunshine's claim, you're just redirecting to a different topic and attacking the beliefs you prescribed to someone else. Just strawmen and ad hominem attacks. Nice.
Comparing Hungary to China and Russia is like comparing a mosquito to a rabid dog. Yes, Hungary is annoying within the EU, has undemocratic tendencies and Orban should be dealt with, but Russia and China are full on authoritarian regimes. You know this, so you are either a troll or a shill.
either a troll or a shill.
A tankie. To her credit, though, sometimes she makes good points about topics related to communism like class warfare and how exploitative capitalism is. This was not one of those times, unfortunately.
Just a really bad shill take of supporting the authoritarian-"communist" countries that conveniently ignore the communist ideals of no hierarchical power structures and being run by the people.
Here's the baseless accusation out of nowhere and no I do not like Hungary as Orban has been cracking down on press freedom, persecuting lgbtq+ folks and has been consistently enabling Putin's crimes against humanity.
Why won't you apply the same standard to the EU that you do to BRICS?
If BRICS is bad because Russia bad, surely EU is bad because Hungary bad?
Let’s just say that your comparison holds such a large inequivalence and hence makes the questions absurd. Maybe it’s just genuine ignorance or maybe something else…
The other countries are also not well known for upholding human or civil rights
Are Brazil or South Africa any worse than Canada?
Also, let's not forget the human rights abuses of France in Africa. Formal colonialism might have ended, but neocolonialism continues. France continues to reap the natural resources and exploit the labor of its "former" colonies. Although the recent government changes in the Sahel region might finally kick France out of Africa, and then we'll see how much they respect human rights.
Also? Let's not ignore the way asylum seekers are being treated throughout the rest of Europe.
But maybe you don't care about that either. They're not white, after all.
so you're saying Russia and China are totally not presently pillaging Africa then?
Classic whataboutism. We're not talking about the former colonies here nor asylum seekers. And you are completely out of it. You're not seeing that colonialism and asylum seekers aren't the point as they're persecuted outside their country for the latter or being persecuted by an outside force for the former. In the authoritarian BRICS regimes it's internal persecution towards their own people. It's not about skin color.
Also yes Brazil and SA are muchhhhh worse than Canada. Have you been? Clearly not. Cause going in a supermarket in Rio with heavily armed guards on alert cause you're white which means a robbery could take place any moment targeting you or in SA having to take an uber down the street to not get assaulted and robbed? Yeah.
Care to explain that a bit? I'm not that familiar with BRICS beyond the first paragraph of its Wiki page
There's a few BRICS member and partner countries in the Western hemisphere already: Brazil, Bolivia, and Cuba. In addition to the current members, the US is pissing all over its partners in Latin America and I think we can expect even more countries to join. If the US really is declining, Canada has to think about who its partners in the Western hemisphere are going to be.
But why join BRICS over the EU? (asking because I don't know)
Russia and China are involved with Brics. We do not want to become more like them.
Thanks. I'll give the rest of that BRICS Wikipedia page a glance over to find out more
It makes more sense to shore up relations in the Western hemisphere than to go halfway around the world.
Montreal to La Paz Bolivia is almost 7000 km. Montreal to Budapest is 6600ish km. So the western hemisphere also can be half way around the world from Canada. You could reverse it and argue "It makes more sense to shore up relations in the Northern hemisphere than to go halfway around the world."
Thanks for sharing your perspective :). I think Canada needs to pick options of strategic value, and in that sense I'd guess EU > BRICS for Canada but idk. Bolivia and Cuba are pretty nearby to Canada but otherwise I don't see the geographic argument so much
China might not be the worst option if you had to pick any of the BRICS countries. Lots of people, not landlocked, and huge potential for business. Canada absolutely shouldn't trust them for anything involving defense or global politics, but they at least have more stability than we do as a trade partner.
As for trusting BRICS as a whole... fuck no. Least of all, Russia.
But can we not negotiate a mutually beneficial agreement with both? The EU and BRICS?