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[–] philpo@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago

Just saying: Her car wrack story has been proven as bogus/phony. But it sounded like a cry for help/attention.

That doesn't rule out,that someone wanted her death - but neither does it rule out suicide.

And sadly victims of the unspeakable abuses she endured often suffer for the rest of their lives with mental health issues. Very bad mental health issues. And as someone who has suffered from them right where she lives I can testify that mental health care in WA sucks ass. Even if you are in a much more privileged position than she was - as a healthcare professional I had much better options than most.

Either way it's a fucking sad story. No matter how you turn it she might have never had a chance. Either to the outside forces or to her inner daemons.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.

Conspiracy theorists live in a world where the rich and powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders and then vengefully kill their accusers, but make it look like a suicide for some reason.

Seems like the same thing with extra steps. Why do people think they would want or need to do the extra steps?

[–] whalebiologist@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Critical thinking is a skill. Anyone can learn it. We can measure a person’s ability by giving them tests and throwing a wide array of problems at them.

This is part of that skillset, you understand subtext? this is the language of the powerful this is how they communicate to us not to resist and blow the whistle. You are serving their agenda by sowing doubt. Whistleblowers are ordinary people that have somehow accessed the deep courage to speak out when you or I would look the other way or say a thing is "someone else's job". These people are heroes; how many more of them are you going to watch die before you rise from your chair?

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 64 points 21 hours ago (3 children)
[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 228 points 1 day ago (23 children)
[–] gaja@lemm.ee 80 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The other comments be like, "this lady is dumb because she killed herself and definitely just changed her mind and definitely wasn't murdered, despite expressing that she will likely be murdered."

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 39 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Right? If I'm ever inclined to believe that someone(s) is going to murder me, and tell my family & friends about it, and that I'm not suicidal, it's because I want people to look into it if I die. It's stunning to read all of these comments saying that maybe she was sitting on the fence, or that a half-decade is a lot of time to change your mind. Like, how fucking powerful do your enemies have to be before people are at least willing to entertain the possibility that you were killed for globally humiliating multiple multi-millionaires and their friends?

I swear to Christ, I think it'll take a dead-man's switch tied to a private investigator and/or hitman to get things moving after a death under suspicious circumstances... "I think someone's going to kill me, if it happens, here's $30K to ensure that something's done about it. Don't accept jerkoff diffusion from impotent wankers or fools. Make sure that dolts don't say I just got sad and shot myself in the back of the head twice."

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer. I understand people can change in five years, often do not share their suicidal ideation but she was a bright woman who understood the weight of her position, if nothing else it’s shady and needs to be looked into just to confirm.

[–] fatalicus@lemmy.world -4 points 8 hours ago

The tweet was written in 2019.

Since then there has been a global pandemic that affected a lot of people's mental health, and she had had become estranged from her husband and children.

I'm not saying that there is no chance someone did this, but there was reasons why this might be a legitimate suicide.

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[–] kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 197 points 1 day ago (2 children)

She said she would never commit suicide. She was murdered.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 72 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.

This part makes me wonder. If I remember at the time of it, it was a kidney injury that without dialysis would have given about 4 days to live. She recently split up with her husband after 22 years. I'll start by saying dialysis isn't fun. The emotional rollercoaster she has been on would devastate anyone.

That being said, all of this would not have happened if she hadn't been trafficked. I maintain an opinion that traumatic crimes result in suicide, then the perpetrators are murderers.

Regardless if she died by her own action or not, she was murdered.

With that opinion stated. Yeah. Without a lot more information I'm sort of expecting the suicide to be self-intlicted gunshot wounds to the back of her head while her hands were tied.

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interestingly in the uk it is possible to prosecute someone for manslaughter if their partner/ex kills themselves due to domestic abuse. Trafficking involves coercive control just like DA and there's an overlap between traffickers and DA in general.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 23 hours ago

Yeah. I'm inclined to believe this was suicide, but she was driven to it primarily by the abuse.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 155 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Whenever suicide is mentioned in conjunction with Epstein, the answer is it wasn’t suicide. Even so, it means there will be no justice.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If someone is shot and paralyzed, but dies years later from complications it is ruled as a murder in connection with the shooting. If someone is horrifically abused and commits suicide, should the suspects of the abuse have some culpability in the death?

Whether suicide or murder, her blood is on Epstein and company's hands.

[–] idriss@lemm.ee 7 points 17 hours ago

well said. I would add his clients too.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 88 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't forget that the president of the United States is caught up in all of this too.

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 30 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The Kunts - Prince Andrew Is A Sweaty Nonce

As this song asks, why did Prince Andrew (or ultimately the British tax payer) pay Virginia Giuffre £12m if he didn't do anything?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-12m-court-settlement-26244075

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 87 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The car wreck didn't kill her so someone was sent to finish the job.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 59 points 1 day ago

Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.

The prince, who has denied all claims against him, reached an out-of-court settlement with her in 2022. The settlement included a statement in which he expressed regret for his association with Epstein but contained no admission of liability or apology.

West Australia police said they were called to a home in the Neergabby area on Friday night, where Ms Giuffre was found unresponsive. A statement continued: "The death is being investigated by Major Crime detectives; early indication is the death is not suspicious."

Right now, I'll go with "non-consensual assisted suicide"

[–] BestBouclettes@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago

A high profile, vocal survivor of a human trafficking case involving the president of the United States and a UK royalty, offs herself weeks after being involved in a car crash that almost killed her. That's almost Russian Windows levels of coincidence right there.

[–] Tm12@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 day ago

Rest in Power. Andrew and Co are sick fucks.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago

Some would say she got the Princess Di treatment

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 13 points 1 day ago

This is an absolute tragedy, she deserved to live a long happy life. I wouldn't be surprised if she'd been murdered, although suicide is highly likely given what she's suffered. I hope she's at peace now

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