No, we know the outcome's predetermined. Last year's Wrestlemania was basically written six-months ahead of time.
It's still fun to watch though, and the athletes do some amazing shit.
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I wouldn't call them athletes if their skill isn't what determines the outcome. Performers certainly like cirque du Soleil.
Freestyle skiing, snowboarding, skating, bmx, motocross, mountain bike etc says you're wrong.
While it's possible to compete in events for most or all of those things competition is only a tiny part of it.
wwe have to labe them as sports performers, so they arnt subject to any regulatory issues, like with roids and standards. we know alot of the wrestlers was on PEDS, rock and cena was the most obvious.
Why not? What definition of 'athlete' are you even using? Did you just decide this?
athlete Athletes compete or strive against others to attain a goal, TV wrestlers perform, or enact a feat before an audience.
You could say there goal is to perform for that audience, as a team….of athletes.
LOL
Go try to do moonsault off a steel cage without breaking your neck and then you can judge.
Still not an athlete.
Wrestling is a form of theatre.
Its just the high octane, sensationalized, ridiculous, coked up, american pop culture version of Theatre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnvSs3HEz2o excellent video where someone talks about why Wrestling got popular
Wrestling Isn't Sports. But it also isn't fake. Not entirely. the outcomes are usually scripted, and theres a card they are usually following (Sometimes, they aren't. Whether its a botch, a shoot, etc) (botch means a mistake, a shoot means someone's not acting, and they're throwing real punches)
but the acrobatics and "stunts' people are doing, are very real. an incredible amount of effort and skill is needed to have the physical ability and timing to make the stuff look real for the kids and cameras
thats why its called sports entertainment,
I think OP is specifically asking why Pro Wrestling is being treated like it's real in some sports publications.
Just to further your point. It's like Cirque du Soleil, scripted, but they are really doing those moves.
Makes me wonder how 'real' roman gladiators were.
I'm still not quite sure if the winner is predetermined or not. I know the "fighting" isn't real, though the stunts still take skill to pull off safely and in a believable manner, and the rivalries are scripted... Not sure if the entire fight is written in advance or if it's ad-libbed and the winner is just whoever happens to be winning when the fight needs to end for the next event.
And mostly just because I've seen backyard wrestling groups that can go either way with it (without even counting the ones that think it's entirely real and just hurt each other the whole time). Some are entirely scripted, others just ad-lib the fight and the winner is still unknown until it's called.
Living in the western world - I hear nothing about Wrestling..
Same. US defaultism strikes again. I don't think I have ever heard anyone talk about wrestling in my life
Nah, at least this once it's definitely not a US defaultism thing.
As an American, this is the first time I've thought about pro wrestling in a very very long time.
I live in the US and also never hear about wrestling.
it's not a point of US defaultism, it's that nobody in our respective social circles can give a shit about wrestling lol
Wrestling has a significant presence in Central America, Japan, and Europe. Presumably other regions as well but I really don't follow the sport so my experience is all second-hand.
Where in Europe?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_in_the_United_Kingdom
Quick little history of the last century in the UK.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_wrestling_promotions_in_Europe
Active circuits are pretty much everywhere.
It's a soap opera for men. Sure the storyline is made up, but people still like being entertained.
Note, I am assuming the match was good. I haven't watch wrestling in a while, but some of those old matches are still fun to watch.
Meh, it was okay I suppose.
Cena doesn't play a heel very well, and it's kind of shitty that they used crotch shots in both of the WM main events.
I've heard the soap opera comparison before. But I think "circus" is technically more accurate. You've got these very obvious professional athletes performing a well-rehearsed routine that is physically demanding and dramatically delivered.
Like, would you call a tightrope walker or a trapeze artist "fake"? If a dozen clowns pile out of a car and start performing back flips and somersaults and climbing into human pyramids and spraying one another with seltzer bottles, would you dismiss it as an obviously scripted display?
Would you go to a Harlem Globetrotters game and complain when they pull out a springboard and start doing stunt slam dunks?
It's a show! It doesn't need to be competitive in order to be fun.
Circus comparison is good but I prefer drag race. It's a bunch of (generally) men in costumes and make up performing very well-practiced routines for the sole purpose of entertainment, with one rigged winner at the end.
Maybe wrestling fans wouldn't like that comparison as much.
I've never seen 'drag race' used in this context, and I was wondering how you were about to compare drag racing (like with cars) with wrestling.
Lol yeah sorry I should've said drag queen competitions. What you described happens to me all the time in reverse when people talk about car drag racing. I watch too much RuPaul.
Would you go to a Harlem Globetrotters game and complain when they pull out a springboard and start doing stunt slam dunks?
I did, so Ethan "Bubblegum" Tate made fun of me, I became verbally abusive, and then they asked me to leave.
Yeah from a physical aspect yes you are correct but wrestling has the storylines that the circus doesn't. The Jerry springer like drama and feuds that people really get invested in with the same level of chair throwing.
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I think you can leave off “for men”
Facts.
Wrestling and the media surrounding it will always be written/performed as though it is real. There were just as many adults that knew it was fake when we were kids that didn't. It's santa clause and easter bunny style culture. Once you are disillusioned, if you want to continue being involved, you join in on the act.
What outlets do you follow?
Because this is the first I'm hearing about it.
Counterpoint- all sports are silly. That’s why they are called games.
I don’t dunk on wrestling fans anymore because people are free to enjoy whatever they want. But it’s always been like this. It didn’t change - you did. Personal growth!
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WWE is a special beast. They embraced The Internet a lot earlier than most media and their social media and astro turfing game is on point. It is why you'll hear that every single wrestler on the planet's life goal is to be in the WWE Hall of Fame (TM) and why Roman "The Rock's Cousin Who Was Such A Charisma Void That All His Lines In Hobbes And Shaw were cut" Reigns and whoever the hell is the greatest story ever told on television (TM) and so forth.
Spend a bit of time discussing wrestling and you rapidly realize you are talking to a "bot" in that different statements trigger the exact same response from different people.
So it is less that The Fans think that cena taking time out of his busy schedule of caping for a rapist sex trafficker was truly amazing and more that people on twitter and PR folk on The Subreddit told them to think that and they are repeating it.
As for the other aspect:
Why is this in my sports news next to last night’s hockey scores instead of next to an article about who was the bitchiest on the lastest episode of Real Housewives?
Because wrestling is "event television" in a way that only sports really is anymore. Andor is one of the greatest shows of all time but, unless you are doing a Reaction podcast, it doesn't matter if you watch that episode from Season 2 tonight or tomorrow or a week from now. Wrestling and sports? People DO still want to watch that "live" because they are afraid someone will spoil the score of the Bulls game (in large part because we grew up with sitcoms where that was the joke). So, in that regard, it makes more sense to cover it with sports rather than to cut into a movie review with how taylor swift's boyfriend caught a ball real good.
Which... gets to the last point that is not WWE specific. A lot of people don't have the time or money to watch it live. This mostly goes back to when PPVs were 50-90 bucks and when all weekly shows were on TV that a lot of "cord cutters" didn't have. But it also just speaks to the general lack of an attention span. A LOT of the Internet Wrestling Community (IWC)... don't actually watch wrestling. They follow live threads or watch clips and then they wait for Dave "It's cool, he just didn't like her tits" Meltzer to give them a star rating.
It has become a lot more prevalent in the AEW era where we have "something else" on weekly TV (no. TNA didn't count. I loved TNA but that shit was the #4 promotion even when there were only two on TV in the US) and the "AEW style" is still heavily informed by The Indies and New Japan where people try to tell a self contained story in every match rather than relying on six months of promos on TV. You will RAPIDLY notice that the IWC will barely mention character work that is not part of a clip released by the company or one that was so good that wrestling twitter clipped it themselves. A live thread might lose their shit over how much rotation a tall lady got on a powerbomb spot and then immediately "forget it" because wrestling twitter didn't care and the company didn't bother to release a clip of it.
Yeah, that's kinda silly. I can see an argument that WWE wrestlers are athletes, no problems there. But they don't actually perform in any sort of athletic competition, which makes thinking of it as a "sport" a little weird. If WWE is a sport, then so is ballet.
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