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The U.S. expects Ukraine's response Wednesday to a peace framework that includes U.S. recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and unofficial recognition of Russian control of nearly all areas occupied since the 2022 invasion, sources with direct knowledge of the proposal tell Axios.

Why it matters: The one-page document the U.S. presented Ukrainian officials in Paris last week describes this as Trump's "final offer." The White House insists it's ready to walk away if the parties don't make a deal soon.

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[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 minutes ago

HA. NOPE. Back to the 2013 borders. Period. Plus it's not up to the US. It's up to the country being invaded.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

dont fall for the americans telling you about a ratchet.there isnt one. they are all responsible.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 hour ago

"But look at the Republicans, not us, nevermind he and Elon have 50% approvalt rating nation wide, it's the small minority reeeeee"

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 43 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Lmao Trump is 100% Putins bitch. I wonder what Putin actually has over him cause Trump could get away with anything right? Why is he such a bitch then?

My guess is that Trump world view benefits with more dictators in power and justifies his own dictatorship goals but sucking this hard?

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago

I think putler has videos.
I think it'll either be of Fatboy pissing on hookers, or fucking children. Or both.
It's probably both, and other things too, but one of these two is a definite.

[–] lando55@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago

Being able to get away with anything is vastly different than being able to handle criticism and embarrassment associated with (yet another) scandal, especially something of a more personal nature that draws his "character" into question among his base.

Basically DJT is the biggest snowflake there is, he would rather incite global conflict than let the world know he has smol pp

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago

your guess is right… there’s an alliance of dictators, basically… (see also: el salvador)

[–] Nocomment@reddthat.com 5 points 2 hours ago

Was Trump able to bully Zelensky when he wanted dirt on Bidens? Was he able to bully him with “good tv”? Were any lessons learned?

[–] Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

America and Trump can go fuck themselves. It’s not peace if Ukraine has to surrender the country to the aggressor! And if that’s not enough, America wants to rip everything of value away from Ukraine too.

[–] Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

His final offer should be offing himself.

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

New chapter for Art of the Deal just dropped. Peace in our Time, ghostwritten by Neville Chamberlain.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 11 points 3 hours ago
[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

The great dealmaker gives up on peace deal after failing to negotiate with Russia and just tells Ukraine to bend over…

[–] errer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

The best solution right now seems to be let the boundaries stay where they are, but also fund the shit out of Ukraine to boost their defenses at the current boundaries and let them join NATO. Russia is too entrenched to give up their land and Putin is more than happy to murder his own people to keep it.

It’s too bad the USA is planning to strangle Ukraine instead and that Europe doesn’t have the resources to supply Ukraine.

[–] Hikuro93@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Wasn't it always the case, though? Wasn't he always implying that "Ukraine better be ready to lose some land" - aka we don't know how to force Russia out of the lands it already invaded? Or how to balance the clear conflict of interests between aiding Ukraine stop an invasion and Trump's agenda of getting the US closer to Russia as an economic ally?

Funny. The only difference I see is that he is now fully committed to make Ukraine capitulate by any means he can, perhaps in a last ditch effort to get that mineral deal since he needs it more now due to China stopping the mineral supply. Notice how he only began this ultimatum right after China stopped the minerals. Not suspicious timing at all.

In any case, better for incompetents to step away than fumbling the game even worse than they already did since taking office. Some "help" simply isn't worth the cost. Europe and any other allies of freedom will see this through, one way or another.

Just don't come begging for rewards or reparations once Russia's imperialist ambitions are stopped. The US is only owed what it contributed until Biden left (and the real value, not the overinflated one), plus a nice good discount for the Trump admin's interference and undermining Ukraine. And that's being generous.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I want to note on the "mineral deal" thing that access to rare earth minerals has nothing to do with China's ability to constrain their supply to the US, because getting rare earth minerals is actually relatively easy. They're found all over the Earth, although some areas do have better naturally occurring concentrations than others. Mostly, though, it's just a matter of finding a nice large swathe of land that you can easily strip-mine.

The problem is refining them. Digging up a bunch of soil and rock is easy, getting the trace amounts of rare (hence why they're called that) earth minerals out of the soil and rock is really hard. While it's true that China does dominate in rare earth extraction, it really wouldn't be all that hard for other countries to catch up to them on that score if they wanted to. But the reason China controls the worlds rare earth supply is because they also dominate in refining, which is extremely difficult, technically complex, and not easy to replicate due to the highly specialised nature of rare earth refineries.

Trump can get access to all the unprocessed rare earth minerals he likes, but it won't solve his current problems. First off, even if Ukraine were at peace tomorrow it would take most of a decade to prospect those mineral deposits and begin extracting them at scale. But even then, it doesn't solve the refining problem. You'd just be selling the raw deposits to China so that they can refine them and sell the refined product back to you at a huge profit.

[–] Hikuro93@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Thank you for the input. Given the current US admin's way of doing things, I have to wonder if they really see the problem in its entirety, or a crudely simplified version of it.

I mean, these are the same people who started a global trade war to get manufacturing over to the US, as if that would magically happen overnight or even with the high amount of uncertainty for business investments. It really seems to them the simplest solutions are the best ones - flip the tariff switch and done, problem solved, the US is great again after "a brief period of hurt" (whatever that specifically means), as if there weren't a million nuances to the current workings of world global societies.

Anyways, regardless of the how's and why's, we can only guess what goes on on the heads of these people...

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

remember those people who blew up the NordStream pipeline? Are they doing anything lately? Cause I was thinking

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 111 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

It's official, USA is part of the problem, not part of the sollution.

[–] Plasticity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 hours ago

Always has been.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

trump and the republiQans are the problem.

If the so-called left and the slack-ass MFs who refused to or didn't vote could have gotten their goddamned shit together we could have resolved this - and every other fucking thing under the sun - better.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 62 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's been true since slow-walking advanced equipment and allowing Musk to remain free and not nationalizing Starlink after he fucked parts of the counteroffensive.

It is fucking bonkers to me that the intelligence agencies and/or the DoD didn’t immediately say “we’re taking that over” the instant it was discovered that he was communicating directly with Putin.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 34 points 6 hours ago

Get fucked Trump

[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 136 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This week’s final offer isn’t very good. I’ll wait for next week’s final offer, or the one after that.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 42 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Looks like Russia will have to throw another several hundred thousand working age males into the meat-grinder, to maintain that few hundred square kms of dirt.

Putin: "It's a sacrifice my billionaire narcissism is willing to make"

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Didn’t we just get photos of 50 year old Russians turning themselves over to Ukraine? Idk what you mean by ‘working age males’ anymore.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Erm, people still work at 50.

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

My mistake, I was internalizing ‘military age male’ when I both read and responded to the original commenter. 🤷‍♂️

Or I should have gone with a higher age. The photos I saw looked like very rough older men, which again doesn’t say much as it’s Russia and they’re fighting in a war.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Can't be. At 50 aren't you drooling, barely able to walk, and ridiculously senile?

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

‘working age males’

Older than a child, younger than someone requiring a care home?

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Some of them look like they need a care home.

[–] mooncake@lemm.ee 42 points 7 hours ago

I love his Trump thinks he can call the shots, guy is a fucking dipshit honestly get fucked.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 53 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Final offer of what? It’s a terrible offer. And walk away from making stupid suggestions? Sure, go ahead.

Art of the Squeal

[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago

Fart of the Seal

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

The implication is walking away all US military support, I believe.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 21 points 6 hours ago

Ukraine can surrender to Russia without USA's help. Trump deal is the same as surrendering, but where USA also gets a cut.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

USA losing all influence in six months. Excellent job republiQans, you've done more than even the worst predictions could have imagined.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Not like they were going to get any help from this administration anyway.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 30 points 7 hours ago

Hey Trump, FUCK YOU!

[–] aleq@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

What does unofficial recognition mean? Can a country do anything unofficially?

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 hours ago

Oh no! Anyway...