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Yet again the Internet Archiving is suffering big this time, a coalition of major record labels filed a lawsuit against the Internet Archive demanding $700 million for the extensive catalog of 78 rpm records. 78s are sometimes more than a century old at this point and i bet a lot of them are out of copyright, but i suppose for the few that still are majors are hitting it big towards the IA

This lawsuit is pretty much another existential threat to the Internet Archive and everything it preserves, including the Wayback Machine, and we're fucked if we ever lose access to the Wayback Machine.

the original article asked to sign a petition, but i think a more logical way to support is to donate them directly so that they have more money to better defend themselves in court in this and other cases they'll undoubtedly face in the future

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[–] vivendi@programming.dev 5 points 1 hour ago

Guys PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, download it all. The only way to preserve information is to copy it until 1 survives

I am just a poor fucking Iranian with shitass internet and no money to buy a NAS but I'll try to hawk some part of it as much as I can

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I have a question. Would it be better for me to donate money to the Internet Archive, or would it be more beneficial long term to purchase a NAS and torrent as much stuff from TIA that I can?

[–] hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

why not both? small donations to the IA pile up. also the IA has several petabytes of data so it would be difficult to mirror that completely but sharing parts you're interested in (even on the small scale) can be immensely useful.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

I think that's a good idea. I'm planning on cancelling my $3/month discord subscription so money can go twords TIA instead
I have about a spare laptop I can setup to be a seeder in the closet or sthm

[–] primemagnus@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

Yeah agree with this, do as much as you can. We could even crowd source backups if everyone pitched in like 10TB.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 115 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The Internet Archive should seriously consider moving outside US juristiction.

[–] MonkeyBrawler@lemm.ee 26 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

irc, it's already backed up to multiple other countries. I assume this isn't some crazy idea, and they've considered this themselves.

Donate to help their defense, or donate to help them move their infrastructure. I think they need money more than they need big brain ideas.

[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 8 hours ago

Please move out of USA where trolls are more prevalent

[–] riverSpirit@thelemmy.club 53 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] nekothegamer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 hours ago

thank you so much, you're doing god's work

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 8 hours ago

willing to bet that the ia does a million more for artists than the record labels ever did

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

There must be a lot of complicated aspects to this that I don't understand.

The right course of action seems obvious to me...

Firstly spin out a separate organisation to manage the wayback machine. It shouldn't be part of the pot defending against litigation like this.

Secondly, and I feel silly saying this but... don't institutionalise the perpetration of rights violations? In the age of distributed databases and the dark web and the block chain and federation surely we can figure out a way to archive media that doesn't put people or organisations at risk of litigation.

Finally, if the individuals involved with IA are not liable for the debts of IA then the organisation should fold because that's practically free compared to defending against these litigious assholes.

[–] splendoruranium@infosec.pub 2 points 1 hour ago

In the age of distributed databases and the dark web and the block chain and federation surely we can figure out a way to archive media that doesn’t put people or organisations at risk of litigation

That limits and gatekeeps access to an enormous degree. The IA wants to be useful to everyone, not just the tiny fraction of the world population savvy enough to use the internet for more than opening a browser and a chat client.

don’t institutionalise the perpetration of rights violations?

Counterpoint: The perpetration of this kind of rights violation precisely needs to be normalized to the point of meaninglessness. Intellectual property can either go away top-down (which considering the way things went over the past century is never going to happen) or it can go away bottom up - it has to be flaunted and disregarded by everybody via continued large-scale disobedience.

Or, of course, it could just never go away.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 23 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The reason this is as public as it is is because an archive like this is more useful the more is archived. If you manage it in an entirely hidden way, you basically won't get it accessible from the clearnet and are relegated to keep it on Tor or similar. And once you do that, a lot less people will use it and thus it'll be a lot less useful.

Also, they are not only fighting for an archive to exist, they're fighting for it being a societally acceptable thing to exist.