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[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago

It turns out all countries have an authoritarian desire and like to do horrible stuff to their civilians. At any point in time some may be better than others. But all of the problems stem from the same root problem of power. It's a human thing and it's unavoidable. Something that citizens will always need to fight against.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago

Dont dare talk about communist crimes, cause capitalism murders like 10 million people a day. A day! No you can't see any proof and you wouldn't understand russian anyway if I did. Kill all landlords. T. Didn't finish highschool and get fired from mcdonalds every 3 months.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Tankies love to gloss over the fact the US is way more democratic than China despite recent events.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 hour ago

The two party system is an illusion of choice...the same parasite has hands in both socks

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 21 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In America police violence is shown on tv and presented as a good thing actually, in china it's not on tv.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 19 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And if you talk about police violence in China the police come to your house and tell you to stop.

If you don't stop you and your family dissappear.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 minutes ago

At least it's not on TV, otherwise the public might get concerned!

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Well the USA doesn't have Execution Vans yet if we're comparing.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

Well, at least they're civilized enough to use lethal injection instead of shooting them... /s

That's absolutely horrifying.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 13 points 13 hours ago

We still have police in vans running around executing people with guns. I think we should really stop splitting hairs and just settle on both police forces being authoritarian death cultists.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Ok wow I bet those are coming here soon

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 16 points 22 hours ago

Jack Ma is just being educated to this day lemmy! Don't look behind the prisons!

[–] hopeleft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"OUR fair and just police vs THEIR brutal murderer cops"

They should learn that ACAB means "ALL cops are bastards", not "All cops in the US and not my beloved infallible glorious prc"

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I vote for politicians that want certain laws.

Those laws become fact. Cops enforce them.

Why would they be a bastard?

I'mma be honest. I have never had a single interaction with a cop in Belgium. They just walk around sometimes.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You are spoiled by living in Belgium. Most countries outside of Europe have good awful corrupt police.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

I fully agree

[–] azulavoir@sh.itjust.works 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Generally it would be when they choose to selectively enforce those laws to unjustly do things to people they don't like.

If that doesn't happen where you are, count yourself very, very lucky.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They can't do that when those laws don't exist to begin with.

People are pretty protected. But now this issue:

E bikes have been surging the country, theft has increased as well. These bikes have a tracker in them.

It locates into a certain neighbourhood, later on it will be more precise.

But people can just deny entrance, so cops (along with the owner) can't just go and look around.

Now, this is pretty digitalised eh, the tracker from a third party shows the bike is there. So the owner would really like it if they could just get the bike for him.

I would vote so that they can just go grab these bikes. Get it over with. Cops entering homes wouldn't be bastards then.

Obvious issue: can just put a stolen bike in the neighborhood, have citizen give permission to look for the stolen bike quickly. They enter the house. Plant some evidence. Blablabla.

But still, I want e bikes to be promoted. Theft to be lowered. There need to be solutions.

[–] hopeleft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Without artificial scarcity created by capitalism theft wouldn't be a problem. Just let abundance of bikes and even if someone steals it you can always borrow another one.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 0 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Belgium has 250k euros median net wealth. High minimum wage. High social mobility. Tax funded education from age 3 to end of higher education.

Cheap public transport.

The e bikes are paid by your taxes when you have a job.

Young guys steal because they like risk and lack respect

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

High social mobility.

You got suace for this claim?

My understanding is that Belgium is highly stratified society with certain groups enjoying very high quality of living while out groups not having access to good jobs

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 2 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 36 minutes ago) (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index

We scored pretty high there.

Why would people not have access to good jobs?

Education is tax funded. Who are these people that don't have access to good jobs?

50% of people age 25 to 34 here have completed higher education

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

Well vast majority of people within any country but thank you for the link

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 2 points 20 minutes ago

Aight I'm an accountant here. The government somehow has people accepting this system:

Minimum wage about 2000 euros netto, probably even higher. Per month.

Someone with 3200 euros gross will have about 2240 euros net.

80% of the gross goes to social contribution.

Then afterwards, for every euro you earn (gross) you pay 13,07% social contribution and then about 45 to 55% personal income tax on the leftover.

Our income gini is 0,26.

The true way to earn money in Belgium is to consume less and save more. We're manipulated into doing that.

21% VAT brakes consumption. 0% capital gains tax on real estate makes people buy their house with a mortgage. The interest of the mortgage is basically paid by the capital gains. Same with stocks/gold/...

You need to be educated in Belgium. The law is equal for all.

[–] hopeleft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, so why can't you just take another bike?

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

My job requires me to be trustworthy. If I get caught stealing a bike, even though they won't do much, it might get on crime record. Whenever I look for a new job, I will need to give them my crime record and explain myself.

If I, at age 29, am stealing bikes. Then I am just worthless scum.

If it's a 19 year old jobless guy who is still studying and living with his parents, then it's more acceptable. Even though this kid will be viewed with caution by future employers.

We could likely implement city bikes funded by taxes and have them all over the city. Have trackers in them and punish people who hoard/sell them.

There's already a private option for that, costs like 2 euros per day. But it doesn't seem that popular.

Most people enjoy having their own bike, with premium material.

My bike is 9700 euros. Of course people will want to steal it. They either don't know the consequences or think it won't matter.

[–] hopeleft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

My job requires me to be trustworthy. If I get caught stealing a bike, even though they won't do much, it might get on crime record. Whenever I look for a new job, I will need to give them my crime record and explain myself

Sorry by "take" i didn't mean "steal", I'm not telling you to steal a new bike if you don't want to lol

My bike is 9700 euros. Of course people will want to steal it.

Again, theft wouldn't be a problem in a moneyless society, since all bikes have the same value and everyone has an access to those bikes, not like in our society where a more costly and less available bike is more valued and therefore entices people to steal.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

What's the largest amount of people that tried this moneyless stateless society stuff and how long did it last

Ussr was state capitalist, north Korea is Kim's paradise. Cuba is state capitalist. China is capitalist.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They made tankie 196? Gross.

[–] halva@sh.itjust.works 4 points 19 hours ago

tankie-inclusive chaser central

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Looks like universal Monk has a new alt.. or is it noted sociopath linkerbaans alt?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Damn linkerbaan, now there's a name I haven't heard in a while.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago
[–] coffeeismydrug@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

honestly im glad someone has called it out, the US is BAD and China is also BAD but with highspeed rail and some better ideas along the way which is tbf GOOD. and if we are criticising everyone i want to know why rent and housing is so unaffordable in most of europe and why landleeches can reap. i also want to know why the hell life is worse for women in so many countries, looking at you india, iran and others. problems dont go away because u ignore them and yes sometimes less bad or least worst is progress too but we must strive for the best hard enough that if we fail to hit it we achieve at least good.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah dictatorships are good if they build a train

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 hour ago

Infrastructure Investment is an indicator of good governance... Us just provide straight cash transfer to our parasites and we get nothing in return beyond being priced gouged by industries we subsidize

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Individuals are far too complex to be 100% anything, so the same applies to the added complexity of a state.

[–] Val@lemm.ee 4 points 3 hours ago

The state is 100% something. It's 100% useless and harmful. source: https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionB.html#secb2 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1PV02IzWpo