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Without artificial scarcity created by capitalism theft wouldn't be a problem. Just let abundance of bikes and even if someone steals it you can always borrow another one.
Belgium has 250k euros median net wealth. High minimum wage. High social mobility. Tax funded education from age 3 to end of higher education.
Cheap public transport.
The e bikes are paid by your taxes when you have a job.
Young guys steal because they like risk and lack respect
You got suace for this claim?
My understanding is that Belgium is highly stratified society with certain groups enjoying very high quality of living while out groups not having access to good jobs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index
We scored pretty high there.
Why would people not have access to good jobs?
Education is tax funded. Who are these people that don't have access to good jobs?
50% of people age 25 to 34 here have completed higher education
Well vast majority of people within any country but that also for the link
Ok, so why can't you just take another bike?
My job requires me to be trustworthy. If I get caught stealing a bike, even though they won't do much, it might get on crime record. Whenever I look for a new job, I will need to give them my crime record and explain myself.
If I, at age 29, am stealing bikes. Then I am just worthless scum.
If it's a 19 year old jobless guy who is still studying and living with his parents, then it's more acceptable. Even though this kid will be viewed with caution by future employers.
We could likely implement city bikes funded by taxes and have them all over the city. Have trackers in them and punish people who hoard/sell them.
There's already a private option for that, costs like 2 euros per day. But it doesn't seem that popular.
Most people enjoy having their own bike, with premium material.
My bike is 9700 euros. Of course people will want to steal it. They either don't know the consequences or think it won't matter.
Sorry by "take" i didn't mean "steal", I'm not telling you to steal a new bike if you don't want to lol
Again, theft wouldn't be a problem in a moneyless society, since all bikes have the same value and everyone has an access to those bikes, not like in our society where a more costly and less available bike is more valued and therefore entices people to steal.
What's the largest amount of people that tried this moneyless stateless society stuff and how long did it last
Ussr was state capitalist, north Korea is Kim's paradise. Cuba is state capitalist. China is capitalist.