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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Another funny myth that a lot of Americans that I've seen cling too is that they are incredibly skilled at war, that they have the best military in the world since it's inception and that they can defeat any opponent. A quick review of history doesn't bear this out as most of the wars that America has "won" have had them be part of a coalition which they may or may not have joined rather late in the game. Even their vaunted revolution required help from a military superpower i.e. the French.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here's my view:

The North American colonies of the European imperialists had one very significant difference from the other colonies of the European imperialists: when the European imperialists came over here and proceeded to brutally colonize this continent, and brought their slaves from Africa over here to work for them and send the products back to Europe, it was the European imperialists over here who rebelled against the European imperialists over there, and won.

So IOW when America/USA got its independence from the European imperialists, it was really just another group of European imperialists owning and running the new country. They still had the slaves so they just kept on going with the slavery along with continuing the genocide of the original inhabitants. The European imperialists in Europe lost their slaves and land to the American group of imperialists.

Whereas when the other colonies of the European imperialists in South America, Africa, etc. got their independence, it was the original inhabitants of those places who got their own countries, not just another group of European imperialists taking over from the previous group.

So Europe's age of imperialism finally petered out and they moved on. Now they can sniff and tut-tut and pretend they are definitely not racist and would never, ever act like those horrible American imperialists. But it's been Europeans and their descendants who have been in charge over here the whole time. This democracy was only ever intended to be a democracy by, of and for those white males (at first only white male landowners).

The reason things are falling apart now is that in their view, non-white males have gotten way too close to having too much power, and they can't have that -- that would be real democracy for all instead of the white-males-only democracy they want. Barack Obama winning the presidency totally freaked them out, inspiring the Tea Party movement which grew to become the maga movement and eventually took over the entire republican party. So now trump and the oligarchs are back in control. Phew!, they're so relieved. But we outnumber them (which is why they want to purge non-whites and make white women have more babies). Who will win?

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You seem to know very little about Latin America.

Several African countries still have a population with European ancestry that owns lots of land for example.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes I oversimplified because the post was getting so long and the topic is American imperialism specifically, but of course there are exceptions. South Africa being an obvious example, where you had white rule and the oppression of apartheid up until not long ago. Point is, Europe is where it all stems from. Before you come back with exceptions from ancient history I'll say that I'm talking about modern history (which is the post middle ages period).

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

the North American colonies

Come on bro, it was like 4 of the first 10 words in his comment...

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"This is not who we are" is not a literal statement. I wouldnt make any sense taken as one, since its used in response to news of actual events rather than hypotheticals, and if taken literally, it would be very similar to "I am not doing what I am currently doing" which is paradoxical.

Rather, it is a statement to others of ones group that their behavior is problematic and therefore that they should stop it, using an emotional appeal that invokes values those problematic members of the group are expected to profess to have.

[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org -1 points 3 days ago

I would read it more as a statement of privilege, personally. someone saying such things and maintaining actual surprise at the actions of the US are only saying so bc they've never imagined they might be targeted.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 28 points 3 days ago

Some of us knew that the national myth was a myth, but aspired for it to be the truth. Others professed to know it as truth and toiled for it to remain myth.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Honest question, which civil rights first originated in America?

As in, what freedoms and liberties are uniquely American in origin and didn't instead start with the British / French / Austrians, etc. etc?

The only one I can think of is for America to be free of British rule, that's about it.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

That's barking up the wrong tree. Zero freedoms or liberties are uniquely American from the American point of view, because that would undermine the doctrine of Natural Rights.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

Birthright citizenship by law and not just custom. Ironic, isn't it.

[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How is this a comic strip?

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

It's sequential art. How is it not?

[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

Most criminals are not born; they are made....

What the State really punishes in a criminal is often its own neglect, its own failure to do its duty to the citizen.

William Randolph Hearst

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 days ago

Whenever Americas say that 'they want freedom' ..... they more often than not mean to say that they want freedom for a very specific portion of their population only and not for the whole.