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[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 119 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Outlook (new) (a webversion in a wrapper, so it only has half of the functions, but they force you to use it while planning to deprecate the proper version)

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

But it comes with new features too, like an ad at the top of your message list every time you open it! We should consider ourselves lucky that they're giving this to us for free!

/s

[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The moment they made me jump through hoops to use the old mail app instead of using the one with ads is the moment I switched to thunderbird.

I plan to switch to Linux but I am very busy right now and installing a new OS onto my PC isn't something I can do.

Take your time. The penguins will be there for you, when you're ready.

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[–] mrmhm@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Except the Windows version of Outlook (New) doesn't work with all of their data centers - but the web version and Mac version do - because they didn't fully write out the authentication framework for high security tenants so you're forced to use Outlook (Classic) until they "eventually" update it.

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, bring back waterfall development cycles...

They we awful and failed a lot, by at least we didn't have zombie failures being used!

[–] dovah@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Deploying incrementally doesn't need to mean releasing incrementally.

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Hey, that's a Google move!

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[–] m0stlyharmless@lemm.ee 39 points 4 days ago
[–] primemagnus@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So I’ve been using Linux since 2006 after moving away from Windows during college. Since then, I’ve used every major Windows to keep up to date and because it’s a part of ,y job to stay current.

What I’ve discovered is MS doesn’t actually iterate. They never abandon the old. Parts of Windows are from XP (and cant tap into dark mode UI). Then from 7. Then parts of 10. Then they added new stuff in 11, but everything else remains. Which is why they have 200 DX libraries.

The most peculiar company on the planet that unmistakably generates shit upon shit because it just can’t stop hoarding.

[–] ceiphas@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There are still parts from win2000 like the whole *.msc

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it goes all the way back to MSDOS. Hell, I think there's even some windows or icons from Windows 95 or 98.

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

I've seen mention that stuff like the odbc connection manager have parts dating back to 3.1

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a help desk worker this shit is so fucking annoying.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Oof hell desk, yea I left that behind as fast as I could. It was nice and all being chill not worrying about budgets, policies, "IT business alignment" and such

But god damn if I had to deal with Beatrice's weekly hour+ password reset call one more time I was going to lose it lol

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The basic Mail app in Windows 10 is still the baseline I compare every other email client to, and I've yet to find anything I like as much. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, it only ever ran under Windows, and for stupid reasons, it was deprecated and now if you try to launch it, it exits and launches Outlook (New), which is a horrible email client.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Outlook (new) is not even a "mail client" at all. It's an Edge "webview" web app. Adding an account to this "app" actually allows outlook.com the website to sync your entire mailbox, read its contents, and "share" all of that data with their (last checked, could have changed since) 798 "data partners".

Install Thunderbird.

Before someone says "it's not pretty enough, I don't like it", if the price for privacy is a shiny theme, I've got nothing dumb enough to say to you. You're beyond helping and you're not worth my time.

Edit ^ that last bit wasn't about you, person I responded to, just realized it sounded like it was.

[–] panicnow@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

My 86 year old father-in-law has had the roughest time with the new outlook. It keeps losing his settings. I kept him on the (old) outlook as long as possible.

I tried Thunderbird for him, but some parts of the UI don’t respect extremely large fonts. Sigh.

My current solution is just straight up web mail to his provider which has other problems, but I have sorta-kinda mitigated them by installing a separate browser that is set to open that website. This has some other small problems, but it will have to do for now.

I honestly wish Apple made a 20” iPad.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)
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[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

What about the inevitable (based on years of development experience):
Outlook (new) New - Final - 2025-04-17 - THIS IS THE ONE.lnk

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 8 points 4 days ago

Outlook (new) New - Final - 2025-04-17 - THIS IS THE ONE_final_b_v2.lnk

[–] LilDumpy@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)
  • Outlook (newest)
  • Outlook (even newester)
  • Outlook (okay, for real, actually the last one, we promise)
  • Outlook (okay, just one more, this time we fixed all the bugs)
  • Outlook (okay, so turns out a few people decided to take the last versions name as a challenge and they kinda a little bit deleted our production server, but we plugged that hole, so should be fine now)
[–] konalt@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Outlook_New_Final_FINAL_2025_FINALREAL (1) (1).rtf

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

Missing an *edited and maybe a 'revised' (3)

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[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why do we still associate these changes with Gates?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Marketing gives you more fame than inventing

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[–] vodka@lemm.ee 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

My team at work is always confused when I ask if they're using Outlook or New Outlook (new) New

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Did you say Teams at work? Did you mean New Teams or Classic Teams? Did you want to swich back to Old Teams or stick with Current Teams? Or did you mean the Teams feature within Teams?

[–] vodka@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

Clearly I meant the personal Teams app that they couldn't log into with their work 365 account so they used the create account feature to log in with their personal Gmail account, and are now fuming because they can't find work files.

[–] obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Think that pisses me off the most is how you can't uninstall it. First of all, I don't even really need a mail app on my computer. If I do, I'll install one I actually want to use.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Look I hate windows too but every app featured here can be uninstalled. The real shame is you can't add a signature to meeting invites correctly unless you copy/paste won't manually, focused inbox, you can't move a message to a different folder from the message view pop up, as far as I know the add-on center is gone and so is the VBA scripting, its just garbage and Outlook Classic (hey MS look thats how you rename shit) was actually decent. Thunderbird is superior to both tho.

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[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Meh, I'm gonna wait for Outlook Mail (new)

[–] Fabian@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago

Outlook Mail Final (v2) (new) (work)

[–] sidelove@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

FFS Microsoft, just put out a functional OS. I even really liked the Windows 11 Beta/RC, but what it became once commercialized got me to switch to Fedora on my main PC and swear off getting another Surface.

[–] albert180@piefed.social 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

IBM has entered the chat

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 4 points 4 days ago (6 children)
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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

2meirl4meirl:

[–] x3x3@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

Thunderbird

[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 8 points 4 days ago

Old is called classic.

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My Outlook still has the yellow icon. Changed it back manually because I kept opening Outlook by mistake when I tried to open Word.

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On windows the only decent mail client is Thunderbird.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

I have some incompetent boomer ancient nepo hire for IT.

We have to use Outlook Web, Desktop 365 Excel.

But Outlook 365 is set to launch on startup. It's not set up the company wants us to use Web for...idk why. 365 Outlook doesn't connect to anything, yet it's installed and registered.

Kill me. I have to save PDF files to OneDrive so I can open them in Adobe Reader to select text because you can't in their shitty fucking outlook web app that won't let you download things any other way.

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