There’s nothing stopping Dorsey from releasing all of his IP under a public license. Same with Elon who jumped on this bandwagon.
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Jack Dorsey, who owns dozens of patents, conveniently does not opt to lead the charge by cancelling them all.
Yes please
Yes, now that rich people want to break the law to create AI we should just make it legal for them.
Yes. Because individuals stand to gain far, FAR more than corporations if IP law disappeared.
No, this has enormous implications to break the monopolies of many companies and supply chains. Companies like Broadcom and Qualcomm only exist because of their anticompetitive IP nonsense. This is everything anyone could ever dream of for Right to Repair. It stops Nintendo's nonsense. It kills Shimano's anti competitive bicycle monopoly.
Every frivolous nonsense thing has been patented. Patents are not at all what they were intended to be. They are primary weapons of the super rich to prevent anyone from entering and competing in the market. Patents are given for the most vague nonsense so that any competitive product can be drug through years of legal nonsense just to exist. It is not about infringement of novel ideas. It is about creating an enormous cost barrier to protect profiteering from stagnation by milking every possible penny from the cheapest outdated junk.
IP is also used for things like criminal professors creating exorbitantly priced textbook scams to extort students.
All of that goes away if IP is ditched. The idea that some author has a right to profit from something for life is nonsense; the same with art. No one makes a fortune by copying others unless they are simply better artists. Your skills are your protection and those that lack the skills have no right to use their wealth to suppress others. The premise of IP is largely based on an era when access to publishing and production was extremely limited and required large investments. That is not the case any more; that is not the world we live in. Now those IP tools are used for exactly the opposite of their original purpose and suppressing art and innovation.
I am hard side eyeing everyone who are pro abolishment of IP laws. You are either mindless consumers who have never spent time and effort creating anything yourselves your entire lives, or you haven't thought this through.
I hope for the latter.
I've created lots of things. The moment I finish creating it, I sign over my IP rights in exchange for money for food, and never have a right to it again.
Without IP law, the thing I created would at least be in the commons where I can still legally use it.
(I agree with your point, some IP law could be better than none. But I'll assert that a total void of all IP law would be better than what we have now.
And we need to theaten to void it all, to get the current rights holders to negotiate. Frankly, I don't think they will. I think we need to void all IP law and then encourage the next generation to create some new IP law after we starve our current billionaires.)
(All this is in spite of my objection to being on the same side of any argument with Jack Dorsey. I have no illusion that his motives are pro-social.)
How do you explain the vast wealth of free software and entertainment media created by both professionals and hobbyists alike? How do you explain the profitability of games and movies when any of us can pirate a copy with little effort? Why is it possible to sell copies of public domain books when we have libraries?
I have spent time and effort creating things myself. Still think ip law is not entirely accomplishing what it should, which is protecting the interests of people producing intellectual works, preferably while they can still reap the benefits of said work and are not financially/socially stable. It seems it's basically working backwards, great for inheritors to make millions by doing nothing except owning some IPs but terrible at protecting the people who actually need it.
I also know a few people holding some important patents, and I guess the patent system is alright in comparison, at least in France, since it did actually protect their work while also allowing others to use it fairly and improve on it.
There is definitely room for improvement when it comes to IP laws, but abolishing them entirely is not the win some people think it is.
Only because you don't think big enough. The company that could "change their strategy to get around it" should be torn down with the IP law. Art shouldn't be a part of this discussion. Art shouldn't ever = food. Anyone trying to uphold a society where it does has already lost the plot
I get that you see no value in art, but I thoroughly disagree with your views on that subject. You and i could have had an interesting discussion on how IP laws affects medicine but I'm not gonna have that with you since you are exactly the kind of person who has zero respect for people who make things.
You've completely missed my point. Art has massive value. You're the one who is so limited you only think in terms of commercial value. IP is wrong. It has no basis in reality. Art should only exist for the sake of itself, not it's resale value and people should not have to produce art to live. The way we construct our society where art has commercial value is perverse. You're right. We can't have a genuine discussion because we do not value human life equally. But I'm not the problem here
For the record I am an artist myself. I'm simply not disgusting enough to participate in such a vile system and call myself good. Either art exists to be shared and is owned by no one, or it exists for yourself and others "can't* take it. Anything else is unnatural abuse of your fellow man and using that abuse as your excuse to kill the poor is disgusting
Pretend we could have had an actual discussion all you want, you were never going to approach this subject with an open mind.
Exactly, people don't actually think about this. They just think "I get stuff companies have" and not "no one will write books anymore." If creative people can't make money by creating, they do something else. Why make music, books, art, when doing so becomes a financial drain.
Imagine a world where you created a hit story online. Well a big company could make that a book, sell it and you see nothing. If it got big they could sell merch, which you would see none of. Big companies, by having manufacturing and distribution setup, could steal any idea at any point and put it into the machine. This would be a nightmare.
So what are the chances he means no copyright for everyone, versus that he means copyright shouldn't affect corporations?
Businesses were innovative long before patents and copyright became a thing. In fact, evidence shows that society was more innovative without patents and copyright than with.
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I hate agreeing with a CEO.
Don't worry, he's probably being disingenuous and likely has ulterior motives.
Oh absolutely he's being disingenuous, but it doesn't make the idea outside of his goals wrong.
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Delete all P = NP law. Return the sand from whence it came.
Delete all internet protocol
Actually fully agreed. IP, trademarks, copyright, all that shit just serves to make the rich richer and stifle innovation.
Sure. Let's start with publishing and copyright.
And that is bad why...?
Intellectual property, the sheer concept that an idea, or color, or shape can be owned at all is absurd if you really think about it. There is certainly room for a fair compromise of appropriate and proportional compensation for the actual inventors or creators of something, but our current system of intellectual property and patents is silly and hostile to human nature.
Current IP law may be too over reaching but I do like the idea that if an artist writes a song, or paints a picture others can't just make copies and sell it. Similarly, if someone makes some invention its nice that there is an incentive to publish the technology openly for everyone to understand how it works, and in return they get to profit from their discovery for a set number of years.
Some design patents and patent tolls are obviously bad, but I think for the most part its a decent system. What compromise would you propose?
If Jack Dorsey proposes something and Elon Musk agrees I'd be wary to see it as a good idea.
I'm big on copy left, but I agree
i mean, i hate IP law as well, i like stealing shit.
If there's no IP law you can't steal IP any more. Hah!
Jesus christ. I'd lose my job immediately.