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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I won't be doing pretty much anything about it. I have 10 pro, I don't really give a shit about what Microsoft thinks I should do. My computer is behind a firewall, and bluntly, it'll be a while before the security issues become such a problem that I need to go and upgrade.

However. I already did the legwork. I went out and upgraded the hardware TPM 1.2 in my system to TPM 2.0, and I picked up some (relatively cheap) Windows 11 pro product keys. I can upgrade if I want.

I also have access to W10 LTSC, so I can always pivot to that if I need to.

I get the security and other concerns with Windows 10. I do, but the windows 11 changes, to me seem like they're changes for the sake of things being changed. Windows 10's user experience was already quite good, apart from the fact that every feature release seemed to have the settings moved to a different location (see above about making changes for the sake of making changes). IMO, as a professional sysadmin and IT support, the interface and UX changes have made Windows, as a product, worse; it is by far the worst part of the upgrade process and I don't know why they thought any of it was a good idea. I also hate what M$ has done with printers, but I won't get started on that right now.

For all the nitpicking I could do, Windows was, for all intents and purposes, exactly what it needed to be, between Windows 7 and 10. There hasn't been any meaningful progress in the OS that's mattered since x86-64 support was added. Windows 10 32 bit was extremely rare, I don't think I ever saw it (where W7 was a mixed bag of 32/64 bit). Having almost everyone standardized on 64 bit, and Windows 10, gave a predictability that is needed in most businesses. The professional products should not follow the same trends as the home products. If they want to put AI shovelware and ads into the home products, fine. Revamp the vast majority of the control panel into the settings menu, sure. But leave the business products as-is. By far the most problems that people have with Windows 11 that I hear about, relate to how everything changes/looks different, and/or having problems navigating the "new look" or whatever the fuck.

Microsoft: you had a good thing with Windows 10, and you pissed it all away when you put out the crap that is Windows 11.

Stop moving shit around, making controls less useful, and stop making it look like the UX was designed by a 10 year old. Fuck off.

[–] hempster@lemm.ee -1 points 8 hours ago

I also have access to W10 LTSC, so I can always pivot to that if I need to.

You can pivot to W11 LTSC if you want

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[–] Bristingr@lemm.ee 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And 25% of users in Asia still use Windows 7. People are going to stay on the OS for as long as possible.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 8 hours ago

too late already did switch to linux :3

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 10 points 8 hours ago (8 children)

Most problems people have with Linux, I think, come from trying to be Linux power users from the start by performing very advanced techniques beyond their time and patience: dual booting multiple operating systems (so they don't have to buy Linux-dedicated hardware), using any graphics card (the latest and greatest GPUs are all closed source and developers who work on Linux do so because they despise closed source), using the least expensive hardware (which are typically closed source and buggy with anything except Windows), and emulating Windows apps so they don't have to learn new workflows or abandon their favorite games (technically, Proton with Steam allows Windows games like FFXIV to be played, but it's a neverending journey to get it working and keeping it working.

If you switch to Linux, accept that for a smooth experience you'll have to pay more than you would for a Windows machine (e.g. System76, Framework) And if you want graphics card support for your emulated Windows games on Steam, you're going to have to use the specific flavor of Linux the manufacturer supports.

That said, if you value free/libre open source software, then making the switch from Windows is totally worth it.

[–] DimFisher@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Very accurate comment!

[–] Mildren@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

I think this may be out of date now, dual booting is relatively simple to set up and there are a wealth of tutorials online for it, setting up a graphics card (nvidia) was a breeze, and for the wide majority of games in my library (I play both indie and AAA), I've had very few issues running native, and most that haven't ran out of the box have guides posted on protondb.com, most are up and running in 5 mins.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Can you elaborate on the incompatibility of the newest GPUs? It looks like Nvidia publishes a Linux driver for the Blackwell series and there are a number of AI applications (like supporting Triton and pysam-based methods) which seem harder to get working on Windows than on Linux.

I'm considering switching over but I hear mixed things about Nvidia support. Some people seem to say it's a pain to get the drivers working and others seem to think that's an issue that's been resolved. Not sure what to think in terms of how difficult the switch would be.

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[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 26 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I switched to linux full time almost a year ago.

I have been thus far entirely unsuccessful in convincing anyone else to make the jump. Normal people do not give a fuck, will not lift a finger to improve their digital lives. I've been telling friends and family about adblockers for YEARS, and not a single one ever bothered to do it of their own volition. If I don't do it for them, then they just sit through ads like complacent sheep. None of them are going to change operating systems if they can't even install a browser extension.

[–] hydroxycotton@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

I really just don't understand this. Folks will not lift a finger or a brain cell to figure out tech.

[–] julysfire@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Made the jump to Linux. No issues so far, very happy with the switch

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

What does Bill Gates have to do with this, he hasn't been directly involved in Microsoft in 17 years? He hasn't even been on the board for 5 years.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

yeah i need star citizen, ableton, fl studio, premier, photoshop and more before i can dedicate a jump to linux

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

don't forget that LTSC is also a solution, you don't have to give in to 11

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I have 11, so not directly affected. But with "no more security updates" being the only real reason one needs to change, the obvious question here is if there is 3rd party software that can protect a Windows 10 system?

I remember when anti-virus software was in common use.

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago

It should be easy to get updates with a little hacky help, they'll be available on the long term support schedule.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago

Windows 10 LTSC gets updates for a while longer. I forget the exact number, but I wanna say it goes into the 2030s?

[–] Culf@feddit.dk 16 points 15 hours ago

Switched to Linux (mint) recently.

All my games run (almost) perfect and (almost) everything has been working perfectly. Overall it is much nicer than Windows and isn't that hard getting used to.

Would much recommend!

[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If ya want to not be plugged into the internet, or use new external media, ya can probably run it safely forever.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

That's my plan so far. I just use it for emulators anyway.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I'm a lifelong Windows user and tried Linux many many times but could never wrap my head around it. Recently I installed Nobara and it's exactly the noob-friendly experience I need. All of my games run flawlessly, even the VR game I play. And everything is just FASTER. I never realized how bloated Windows was until now. I can't imagine going back to Windows at this point.

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[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Unpopular opinion but I'm just using 11. I deal with enough problems with Linux at work and as hard as it is to believe, Windows just work and fits my workflow too well. Linux works great on my Steam Deck but the occasional weird quirks it has with certain games/launchers means I can't use it as my main gaming platform, it's only fine on the Deck because it has advantages for the form factor.

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[–] LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I'm going to move over to Mint on my laptop, it's older but still working great after I swapped an SSD drive in. Biggest issue is backing up the laptop before installing Linux. I have another computer I plan on duel boot with Windows 10 so I have access if I need windows for certain programs. I have no control over my work computer so Windows 11 there.

And unless one of my brothers steps up and buys our Dad a Windows 11 computer (I bought the Windows 10 computer, which is why it was so cheap it can't take 11. 😆 ) since I'm his tech support if my brothers don't step up he is going to Linux. No matter what I'm going to have to listen to him complain about how it is different so it will be a good time to move to Linux. Probably a version that tries to mimic Windows.

[–] Botler@feddit.org 13 points 17 hours ago

Linux Baby, Linux 🐧😘

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I've been daily-driving Linux Mint (LMDE 6) on my Thinkpad T14 G1 for almost a year now. At this point, that laptop is easily the most dependable machine I've ever had. My gaming PC is the last remaining Windows machine in my house. Recently I've been making sure everything is backed up (Syncthing is great for this) and finding alternatives for programs that don't have a Linux version.

My plan is to create images of both my SSDs (500GB & 2TB, both NTFS 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️) onto a 4TB hard drive. Then start from scratch, migrating data from the images (Steam games, config files, personal documents I may have missed, etc) when/if I need it.

[–] TheFANUM@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Been Linux exclusively for 20 years. Win 11 sure isn't going to change that

[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine that, Windows 11 can remember everything you did in the past 3 months, it's making sure that you didn't forget about Office 365, Xbox Live subscriptions, and about Edge, the browser embedded deeply in the OS...

Sometimes, for your convenience, it will put Edge as the default, but you totally can change it back to what it was!

Are you sure you don't want to switch? You're missing a lot there...

[–] Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 1 points 6 hours ago

I despise Microsoft just as much as you do, but I've never encountered the things you just wrote. Ist that a home edition problem?

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 13 points 18 hours ago

Full Linux, I'm not installing that anti-privacy, ad-ridden Windows 11 OS. It's dangerous to use an unsupported system, so I'm going to be deleting my Windows partition. I know I'll run into some issues on Linux, but I'm forcing myself to learn more and work through them!

[–] AvailableFill74@lemmy.ml 3 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Linux has some problems that I just can never find answers for.

#1. Can’t do 4k 340hz on my display port 1.4 cable. Even though I can on windows and Mac. In Linux the option is there with the nvidia driver, but the screen goes black anytime I try to use it. No solution.

#2. Ubiconnect won’t work with Ann 1800 even though it’s good on proton.db and others are reporting it works great, I was never ever able to get it working or find reliable steps to get it working.

It’s a needle in a haystack trying to find fixes for things like this. Linux offers a lot, but still doesn’t offer the most important thing ease of fixing problems quickly so you can just do what you want to do.

Run a game and work at the native resolution.

[–] SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 hours ago

Yea thats how my spouses laptop ended up with fedora and our main/gaming PC ended up with Nobara. For some reason certain distros and certain configurations do not go well with each other.

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[–] Boris@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

I switched to Linux mate and been using heroic games launcher for the windows games I want to play

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 37 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Why Gates in the picture tough?

He stepped down as a chairman over 10 years ago and didint he leave the microsoft board like 5 years ago?

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[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (8 children)

I'll upgrade to 11 Enterprise via massgrave.

Sadly with Adobe and some of my online games not supporting Linux, I have to stick with Windows :/ I'll just try to disable all the telemetry and AI crap via O&O and group policies.

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[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

I tried out going 100% Linux a year ago. Unfortunately I was playing one of the very few games that has Linux issues. 100% CPU all the time was bugging me. It's not the fault of Linux. Anyway, that's how it played out. I may be tempted to try again soon.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

I jumped ship to Linux Mint almost a year ago. No Microsoft products live here anymore. No regrets.

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