To this I say, no. As a community, we do not deny proven genocides, like the holocaust, or the genocide against indigenous Americans by various European colonizers, or the genocide against the Congolese by Belgium, or the Bengal famine that was carried out by the British empire. In fact, denying those genocides will get you banned, here. However: we are also aware of a tendency of nations to project their crimes onto others, and to manufacture atrocity propaganda to justify overthrowing or destroying rival governments... like Libya in 2011:

From Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad (a great book I highly recommend)

A post from Michael Parenti regarding the destruction of Libya by NATO-backed reactionaries

A headline shortly after Libya's destruction by NATO-backed reactionaries

The US government has been reenacting the fable of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and has been cynically leveraging the very serious accusation of genocide against its geopolitical enemies. This is the source of skepticism on Xinjiang. And this is not a new strategy, yes, the Holodomor, which everyone in the US has been taught to take seriously lately, is a nazi fabrication first spread to the United States in the works of Robert Conquest. Why would the USSR deliberately starve a fellow socialist Republic? Why would Stalin, a Georgian, have some kind of Russian chauvinist grudge against Ukrainians? Why would Lenin (Donbass), Stalin (Lviv), and Khruschev (Crimea) all expand the territory of the Ukrainian SSR while also trying to kill off the people inside of it? Why would the USSR ethnically cleanse Ukrainains while simultaneously sending food aid to the starving British colony in Bengal? Natural famines and crop failures were spun by the nazis into atrocity propaganda. Also, a state does not have to be perfect to be defended against false accuations. I think China is far from perfect, but the burden of proof is on the United States to prove its accusations (which have changed in scope several times) regarding Xinjiang. Delegations from Muslim majority nations visiting Xinjiang do not agree with the United States that there is a genocide of the Uyghur people. There is however an attempt to reeducate extremist groups like ETIM. Reeducating extremists might seem a harsh government policy, but I assure you it is a better way of dealing with religious fundamentalism than drone striking weddings or air striking hospitals like the USA did in Afghanistan.

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[–] pooh@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just going to throw out that the tankies at the... uhhh... US STATE DEPARTMENT have also said officially that there isn't evidence for genocide in Xinjiang: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/

If anyone calls you a genocide denier, throw out this one and see out they respond. smuglord

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

They won't. I can't get the fuckers to read the UN report, either. And good luck getting them to look in to any information on the 1932 famine that doesn't come directly from Himmler of the OUN-B.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

the tankies at the... uhhh... US STATE DEPARTMENT

🤔 well come to think of it they did roll M1 Abrams into Iraq

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Which genocide do they say we deny?

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I deny the white genocide.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I feel like this connects back to the liberal need to erase anyone left of them, because otherwise they can't pretend to be the good guys

also this:

The kitten-burners seem to fulfill some urgent need. They give us someone we can clearly and correctly say we’re better than. Their extravagant cruelty makes us feel better about ourselves because we know that we would never do what they have done. They thus function as signposts of depravity, reassuring the rest of us that we’re Not As Bad As them, and thus letting us tell ourselves that this is the same thing as us being good.

from https://redsails.org/false-witnesses/

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s funny seeing Hexbears not understand how lemmy works. It’s hilarious seeing them angry over dissent.

wonder-who-thats-for

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I wonder if they even know that the developer of lemmy, dessalines, is a communist who releases communist audiobooks on their youtube channel and did an AMA on here

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

If libs paid attention to where their treats were coming from they wouldn't be libs anymore

[–] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would the USSR deliberately starve a fellow socialist Republic? Why would Stalin, a Georgian, have some kind of Russian chauvinist grudge against Ukrainians? Why would Lenin (Donbass), Stalin (Lviv), and Khruschev (Crimea) all expand the territory of the Ukrainian SSR while also trying to kill off the people inside of it?

My key question: Why would Stalin stop? If the Holodomor was a deliberate attempt to genocide the Ukrainian people, it would be to my knowledge the only genocide in the history of the world where the perpetrator just randomly decided to stop the genocidal actions and never again make any attempt to restart it for the next 30 years of his life.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

There are opportunistic genocides around famines (not in this case, of course) where the attempt is taken because it is easy and not pursued further when it is difficult. Britain did this multiple times around the world.