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American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.

Soldiers 'crushed' his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to 'send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.' The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

We are all dirt to these people.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 101 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

Thanks for all the replies, guys! I appreciate the responses but at the same time I'm now even more depressed. 😬

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 141 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The point is to kill and torture these people. Calling them terrorists is a tried and true tactic.

They will call him Hamas whether he confesses or not and then say they killed another Hamas terrorist.

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[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because it’s a genocide.

If he confesses they’re justified because “he was totally hamas” if he holds out they’re justified because “he’s a highly trained hamas agent”.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

The BBC and New York times will publish the confession uncritically to manufacture consent for Israel torturing doctors.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (42 children)

This is yet another one of many examples that affirms the correct answer to "does israel have a right to exist?" is no. No nation has an inherent right to exist, but certainly a nation as horrible as israel should not exist for many reasons, including morally, just like how nazi germany has no right to exist.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

For everyone wondering if this means genocide against Israel -- no! Of course not! This means the nation -- that is, the government, the borders, etc. -- needs to be reformed.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That's some really fucked up thinking, on par with invading forces. You're essentially advocating for a genocide, including the masses of people in Israel who are constantly protesting against this war

Even I, a person who lives in East Europe, who has been affected by Russiay entire life, with Ukraine invasion to top it off, do not wish harm upon every single russian.

If you start thinking like them, then what makes you morally better?

[–] kiagam@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He said Israel, not israelians. but it would either be another diaspora or their neighbors will take revenge and continue the cycle of hatred.

Which might be one of the objectives as well. "You can't let our people in the hands of the arabs, they are gonna kill us all in revenge for us killing them!". Ensure the israeli state exists because without it, their people die.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

So by your logic, due to how much problems the US is causing to it's neighbours and in the world right now, it is morally acceptable to destroy USA and make Americans look for new homes?

Bruh, I sometimes feel like reddit is mild compared to whatever the fuck I walked into

[–] kiagam@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If we were in the 18th century, for sure. for a country more than 200 years old? No. Israel is not even a century old. There are barely 3 generations there.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Decleration of independence does not equal people suddenly appearing there on that date. 3 generations? What? You clearly missed your history lessons. Why do you think archeology keeps finding Jewish artifacts on Palestinian land? The Jewish people have been living there for at least 5000 years. The Land of Israel, being under different names under different world powers, has existed for so long even the bible revolves around it. You can start by searching for "12 tribes of Israel"

There have been multiple attempts to remove them from those lands, like when Roman empire invaded and then re-named their land to Palestine to spite Israel, but.. ehh, this got too long

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 67 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That headline seems like a bit of a catch 22. If he says he’s Hamas, he becomes a “legitimate” target.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 91 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

If you refuse to tell us you're Hamas, we'll be forced to murder your family.

If you tell us your Hamas, we'll be obligated to murder your family.

Totally different scenarios.

Genociders gonna genocide.

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[–] Polderviking@feddit.nl 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Data you get from people by using torture is automatically invalid, especially when it comes to getting people to "admit" things.

When are we finally going to consider this the war crime/crime against humanity it is?

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