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[–] nul@programming.dev 100 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I have a big brain, so I refuse all microchips. I won't settle for anything less than a macrochip.

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

they just shove a laptop in your skull

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Like a pringle the size of a pool tarp

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[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 70 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Personally, I think the technology has great potential. But under capitalism? Fuck no.

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gimme open sourced brain chips and I'm in

[–] TrustingZebra@lemmy.one 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are now required to use the command line just to think.

[–] activ8r@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you imagine getting stuck in vim?!

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[–] Un4@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Lol i would say no under any system.

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[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meh, I think the concept of interfacing directly with the brain is really interesting, I just don't know if an Elon company is the one I want doing it.

Of course I'd rather have a brain interface that I didn't have to implant though.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even if it's not Elon Musk. Do you want to have brain surgery every 2 years to implant a new chip because the old one is obsolete?

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, the tech needs to be developed such that regular surgery is unnecessary.

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[–] Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'd be completely fine with a usb port in the back of my skull to update it /s

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And now you need to replace usb-c with usb-d, unless you just bought an iPhone 30 then you need a thunderstorm cable (modeled after Steve Jobs dick).

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[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree that the concept is interesting, but honestly the damage that could be done with something like that is just not worth it.

With corporate greed you can't be sure what weird step they decide to do next. And everything they do directly affects you. Not to speak of the possibility of getting hacked and having a weird version of the bee movie play in your head on loop.

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[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 51 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Alternative answer: YES!

Companies know best what is good for us and people crave stuff with a micro- prefix, like microplastics (yummy), microtransactions (funny), microbial infections (it's like a pet), microwaves in your brain (tickles), etc.

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[–] Machefi@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

I mean, that's how cautionary tales such as Black Mirror are supposed to work

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

We can hardly get our self-designed computer systems to adequately communicate with each other or function. How confident are you that we can design an appropriate interface with our brain? Something which we still have yet to fully decipher?

In no way do I want venture capitalists and tech bros fucking fumbling around in my brain with hardware designed and constructed by the lowest bidder.

[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a non-zero chance that once they have a chip in your brain, they will find a way to stream ads in to it.

For that reason, I'm out.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why stream ads when they can more-directly influence you?

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, you mean I can let the guy who invented a shittier version of a subway train (the tunnel has colorful LEDs though) and routinely bitches about safety regulations put computer chips in my brain?! Woah, sign me up for the future!

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i cant believe they actually built that tunnel. they filled a nearly inescapable underground tube with cars known for combusting and burning for ages

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not only that, but burning aggressively. I've seen my share of car fires, having worked in EMS for 12 years, there's no such thing as a gentle car fire; if they burned any more aggressively, they'd basically just explode. Well, something about the lithium makes these fires fucking rip and they're a nightmare to put out. I just did some quick googling, and supposedly Li-ion battery fires are able to supply their own oxygen (holy shit), so you can't put a lithium battery fire out by smothering it with water or foam. Maybe I'm wrong and someone who isn't an Internet idiot (it's me, I'm the idiot) can correct me, but that sounds hella bad, and like of one of those cars caught fire in that tunnel, that fire just flat out isn't getting put out.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

There is a long list of legit and or cook reasons to have a microchip in a brain. Controlling or assisting damaged brain structures, you can mitigate the symptoms.of Parkinsons, give vision to a blind person.. but I also think the cool parts van be nice and probably are inevitable. Being able to communicate in your head, that sort of thing. I see it as something that will happen and people WILL do it.

Also, who do you think will make these chips? A fairy? Of course companies will (and already do) make them.

I think instead of screaming NONONO we should start thinking about what rules your any such companies to follow. Maybe have the design schematics be open source. A hard "off" button, somehow. A ban on ads and tracking (in combination with the hard off)

Yeah there are very start things possible, doesn't mean it has to be like that

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[–] ARk@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Given how big corpos are already fucking up the job market due to AI, it's not such a good idea to go all in with cutting edge technologies right from the get-go

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[–] influence1123@psychedelia.ink 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I can play videogames in my head while I'm at work, great. If my addict dopamine brain gets highjacked so that I don't know how to do anything except consume ads then bad.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It will be the latter, and if you complain then people will call you a "privacy nutjob" because it will be considered normal

"Experiencing life without the chip is like stealing content"

I can hear it now

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

thats so true. "no-ones forcing you to get chipped (unless you want to work or buy anything or enter a mall or ...)"

[–] anewbeginning@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If the person has a disability and the chip somehow improves the condition, then, under extremely tight legislation, yes. Otherwise, no.

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

yeah, tons of informed consent too

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[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Friendly reminder that pacemakers can and do get hacked

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[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should a profit-driven company do it?

HELL NO!

Should it be researched so one day it can be done cheaply, safely, healthily, with absolute control given to the person receiving the hardware?

HELL YES!

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[–] ultrasquid@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago

I can see them being a game changer for the medical industry, but before I'd trust putting them into anyone's brains they need to be regulated into the ground first.

[–] Crow@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

PC parts can’t even go few years without losing backwards compatibility (e.g. cpu sockets changing every few years). Last thing I need is for my physical body to incompatible with the newest and best stuff because I got a permanent implant when the tech wasn’t as evolved. This will always be the problem with invasive technology in my opinion.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. (It's made by Elon Musk, I would not buy it use anything he made if you held a gun to my head)

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m theory I don’t oppose it to help regain senses and such. In practice that’s already happened and been a disaster

[–] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Hi theory! It's so great to finally meet you!

[–] aicse@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

If it is advertised well, it will be the same as with smartphones nowadays. Companies won't plant chips into human brains, people will pay to have chips planted into their brains and pay even more for yearly upgrades.

[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Depends on the use case and the oversight. If I lose the ability to walk and an implant can make it easier I'll take the implant. It's unfortunate this type of technology didn't exist for Hawking. With what he had he could only write a sentence a minute IIRC.

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[–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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[–] gonzo0815@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

More RAM would be kinda nice though.

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[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only way I would accept a microchip is if they implant it deep in my ass with a huge cock

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[–] Johanno@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

As soon a company offers this shit I am in.

However I need proof that I am the owner and user of the chip. So if Apple would sell it I probably won't buy it, because I wouldn't own what I bought

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[–] CreeperODeath@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think in a perfect world it could be really cool

In this one however it'll just be exploited

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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The devices need FDA approval and some safeguards. A neurosurgeon needs to assess the risk vs benefit for the patient and they need to come to an agreement on whether it's the right treatment. Problems with these devices are strokes, bleeds, infection, swelling in the brain, etc. which while fairly rare aren't insignificant.

Aside from that general statement on risks of brain implants and brain surgery, the other big issue is whether or not they will be supported in 10-15 years or will Elon Musk flush that company down the drain as well? There was a company making implants that helped patients see that just shuttered it's doors and said "whelp, sorry folks, no one can help you with your implant now".

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[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Common sense can be used to sustain any stupid argument, and it should be disregarded as a valid counterpoint to anything.

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