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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 70 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The put down was always part of the plan.

Realistically, Trump can't bring about a ceasefire because the russians have no incentive for good faith negotiations. They can easily press demands that will never be accepted in Ukraine (no army, micro-management of internal laws, surrendering Ukrainian controlled parts of Kherson, Zaparozye, Donetsk). This means Trump needs to position Zelenskyy as the bad guy for internal audiences (many Americans cannot comprehend that the russians are acting in bad faith, or they simply don't care).

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Putin has incentive to negotiate. He has drained the filthy Russians of men and matériel. Of course he wants to stop the war, to rearm and regroup.

no incentive for good faith negotiations

Oh. Carry on.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 days ago

Negotiate peace with who? Russia who invaded them for no reason other than a land grab? Or the US, who artificially created a conflict to gain more leverage over Ukraine to steal their minerals?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think the next time around the negotiation has to include people from most of the EU in that room.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Next time it has to be on the front line with American negotiators required to crawl under barbed wire to get there.

[–] venotic@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, Zelensky, you're in the worst timeline right now in hopes of achieving that. You have a warring country that outright wants your country in their hands and a country whom you thought was an ally, only was interested in talking you down and trying to buddy-buddy with their newfound traitorous friend.

Lose-Lose.

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What's all of this "the US planned this all along" stuff I'm hearing. The citizens did betray them by voting in a guy who has a different view of policy, but this wasn't the policy until that happened.

[–] venotic@kbin.melroy.org -2 points 4 days ago

Sir this is a wendys.