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Three at most unless someone has informed me that it picks up later. Game of Thrones started getting interesting after a lot of time learning about the characters, for example. Two if it doesn't have a reputation as something that I really ought to watch. Less than one if I find myself annoyed right away.
There's no clear answer.
I gave Invasion 4 episodes before I moved on. Foundation hooked me from the start because it was definitely a show made for me, but it definitely got an order of magnitude better in season 2. Bojack Horseman wasn't slow, because again, I felt it was paced right.
I tried watching Lost on Netflix for the first time. Yes, I know it is an old show at this point but I never bothered with it when it was the thing to watch. Well I couldn't get past the incredibly ridiculous behavior of everyone, some of the characters were painfully clichéd, the way it quickly felt like a soap opera was too much, etc. I had to stop after 3 episodes. I even read the wikis on it and the plot becomes a mess very quickly.
Now if I had only given Seinfeld 3-4 episodes I would've cut it off before it hit its stride. I think for comedies it can take an entire season to get up to speed. The King of Queens took about a year to get its structure together. Arrested Development is one show that came out of the gate full speed and continued to hone it characters. F is for Family is an animated show that really started pretty good. The Simpsons early years have a dramatically different feel for the characters over time as the Simpson family became more extreme in their characterizations. Homer and Bart felt much more human in the early years.
20 yo television rarely holds up.
The Godfather II is one of the rare movies series where a sequel was better than the first.
Empire strikes back
Terminator II
Star Trek II
Batman the dark knight
Indiana Jones and the last crusade
James Bond from Russia with love
The good, the bad and the ugly
aliens
Paddington 2
Toy story 2
Avengers endgame
Top gun maverick
Blade Runner 2049
Mad max fury road
Try as I might I did not see an answer to the headline question anywhere in the article.
It says it with the plots and such. It seems to say that by episode 7 is when people's impressions, on the average, become positive.
Or just wait until the 8th movie. Treat it like I treat most articles now that are like "This was the Beatle's biggest regret!". The first 4-5 paragraphs will be total fluff and now I immediately scroll to about the halfway point where they actually address the headline.
Tbf, there is often a proportional reward (multiple seasons of good TV being quite a bit longer than the movies that get good).
Also, with how pacing, budgets and casts work in the industry, a movie often ends up having more in terms of emotional investment and new information than an equivalent length of TV. So the effort to watch a movie is not the same as watching an hour and a half of TV (on average).
Modern classics like Breaking Bad, The Wire, Community, and Bojack Horseman are notorious for "starting slow" and are often recommended with a disclaimer like "Give it a few episodes; I promise it gets good!"
This is a bit of a falsehood though, IMO.
Those shows (although I've never really watched BH) all ARE good from the start, as a rewatch will invariably reveal.
It's just that the worlds they conjure sometimes take a while to get used to. But once used to them, those early episodes are often absolute gold.
The Wire in particular has absolutely nothing to apologise for in any of its first few episodes (or indeed virtually all of the other ones) but for someone unfamiliar with the Baltimore drug markets and the hierarchical structures within and around them, it took me a few episodes to get up to speed.
It's not that it "gets" good after a few episodes. It's just that it might take a few to realise just how good it is.
Generally have a tough time, especially with streaming, to stick with something past Season 3 (looking at you, Breaking Bad).
It's hard to infinitely amp up the stakes without going off the rails.
I dunno, BB was an outlier for me in that it kept getting better. We're there some crap filler episodes? Of course. Did the story wander a bit? Sure. But I thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish.
It's also worth noting that many of these shows from the traditional TV days were a once a week affair and weren't intended to be binged. It was a different way of watching back then.
I had a different problem with breaking bad, but it killed my watching at around the same point: I just couldn't stomach what a terrible human being Walter is. I dropped it after he (almost?) sexually assaulted his wife, and then years later someone managed to convince me to pick it up again and I dropped it once more when he allowed Jesse's girlfriend to die as he watched
I know the point is that Walter is the bad guy, despite how many chuds idolize him and his Heisenberg persona, but fuck.
A lot of those TV shows are from before streaming. Now there are only like four episodes per season. It could be interesting to see if episode ratings change when seasons are shorter.
My first thought was why they didn't use percent through season 1 or the shows lifetime to account for variable season length
The problem with this methodology (using IMDb ratings to compare different seasons and shows to each other) is that every show is going to see a "ratings bump" when people who are disinterested or dissatisfied stop watching and only the die-hard fans are left watching and rating.
Same with movies, like how the Venom movies have higher Rotten Tomatoes scores with each installment, despite getting worse as they went along.
Stop saying jumped the shark ! It's dumb and never should have become a saying! You definitely didn't need it 4 times in an article!
I try to give a new show 3 episodes before i walk away.
Jumping the shark was a—metaphorically and in one case literally—real thing that used to happen, back when 22 or more episodes were cranked out per season, leading eventually to there being no juice left to squeeze from the show’s premise, causing it to go off the rails. It doesn’t mean just a “decline in quality,” or at least it originally didn’t.
Or it could be their "cousin Oliver" moment. That point in a tv show where the writers have squeezed all they can from the characters and have to inject some wacky "wild card" character out of the blue in a desperate attempt to revive things. It got the name from the Brady Bunch who had cousin Oliver show up suddenly. Married With Children had it with cousin Seven, Happy Days with Mork from Ork (yup, that is how it started), The Flintstones with The Great Gazoo alien, Scooby Doo had his Scrappy Doo...
Jumping the shark was a—metaphorically and in one case literally
Or two cases, if you're familiar with the work of Barry Zuckercorn, Attorney at Law.
Yay, a dataisbeautiful post!