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Which browser do you use and why? (lemmy.selfhostcat.com)
submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) by ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

Using firefox but concerned now

Read about some alternatives:

Edit 2/28: It seems there is no general consensus if we should switch and/or to what.

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[–] jadsel@lemmy.wtf 1 points 15 minutes ago

I have found Mozilla's sync across devices handy, but now I'm in the process of moving over to using Vanadium on my GrapheneOS phone and FireDragon on desktop.

FireDragon started out as a Librewolf fork, but is more recently based on Floorp. They are still keeping in sync with Librewolf's privacy enhancements, with some of their own thrown in. I like that the default search engine is Garuda's instance of Searx, with Whoogle as another option if you don't want to self host. FireDragon will also sync your Firefox account off Garuda's server instance if you like (which would be more useful if I weren't going with a Chromium fork on mobile). The Garuda project is certainly looking more trustworthy than Mozilla these days.

[–] huggingstars@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago

Firefox on Desktop. Chrome or Vanadium on Mobile.

[–] StanislavP@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Switched to Librewolf on Linux and Ironwolf on Android. But looking forward to Ladybird!

[–] SkibidiSigmaRizzler@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Do you mean IronFox or is there another fork I didn't know yet

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Firefox, while I dislike their new FAQ and TOS I build it from source and the TOS does not apply.

I wish they would make Firefox Sync a self hostable product that they also host for you for like 5 bucks a month. I would pay for it (or any other way to directly give money to FX instead of Mozilla) like I do for Bitwarden.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Aren’t their services you can use to sync bookmarks and such like Floccus?

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yes, but I actually would pay them for their services if they guarantee me that they will use that money to improve Firefox and Firefox services. I want to be a premium user of Firefox, but instead of trying to monetize their core userbase they annihilate them.

I actually like their advertising business idea and their other services and I understand that they need money but is whay they are doing right now really the best way?

[–] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 hours ago

The Gnome browser (epiphany?) is actually quite good. But when I'm on windows I use Zen. On GrapheneOS I use IronFox.

I also recently tested Ladybird. It's still not usable for daily use, but I'm excited for it.

[–] borokov@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Brave.

Because I installed it when it was pre-alpha version. Ended up to an ugly window with just an addresse bar. I though "this shit will never worked, yet another utopistic project, too bad..."

Then, came back 2 years later, gave him a 2nd chance and "OMG ! They fucking did it !". So I keep it as a redemption for not having believed in the project at first.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 52 minutes ago

...Brave is just chromium by techbros, right?

[–] chrand@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

Still using Firefox but looking to move to LibreWolf

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

On pc I use both librewolf and firefox

On mobile I use mull, fennec, and vanadium if for some reason they want something chromium based

[–] icogniito@lemmy.zip 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Zen, absolutely love the workflow and the fact that it is not chromium based.

Waiting excitedly for ladybird, it is already very impressive but still years left until it is daily drive able

[–] Fluxxr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

I like zen a lot but I’m struggling to drag a tab from one window to another. The sidebar always collapses on the target window before the tab gets there. Any tips?

[–] Arfman@aussie.zone 1 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I was thinking of switching to one of the Firefox forks but have only tried Waterfox so far and not super impressed. I guess Firefox is the best out of the bad bunch until I find an alternative I like.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 46 minutes ago

Librewolf looks exactly the same to me

[–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Interesting. What did you dislike about waterfox?

[–] StanislavP@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Librewolf is pretty much standard hardened Firefox. So you should feel right at home with that one

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I use several, depending on use case:

  • Tor Browser for general and anonymous web browsing (e.g. reading news, looking up stuff, and so on)
  • Mullvad Browser as a clear web alternative for general use
  • Librewolf for generally logging into sites with personally identifiable accounts (e.g. to buy stuff)
  • Ungoogled Chromium for those few sites which only work with a Chromium-based browser, or other specific cases
  • On Android (GrapheneOS): Tor Browser and Vanadium

All regular browsers have some hardening applied and uBlock Origin installed.

[–] nycki@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

I still use firefox despite their questionable leadership, for one major reason: it prevents Google from setting whatever web standards they want. Sites that aren't standards compliant will usually still work in Chromium-based browsers, but they will break in Firefox, and then I can report the bugs.

[–] Drito@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

I use Librewolf, I manage passwords with pass and rofi. Hoppefuly AIs will write a new FOSS web browser. I read here and here that the web standards are too big to be implemented by humans.

[–] Asparagus0098@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

I use Firefox as my main browser. I use the multi-account containers extension in Firefox to seperate my browsing activities. Brave is installed as a backup in case firefox fails me. I use TOR browser for searching for stuff that I don't want linked to me.

[–] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 3 points 10 hours ago

Librewolf mainly because that's the Firefox-type browser that comes with my distro (IceCat is there too, but it's based on ESR and not frequently updated).

[–] trk@aussie.zone 7 points 13 hours ago

Firefox. And Thunderbird. And donate to Mozilla.

Don't really see the point in using a fork that, by the time you boil it down, just takes Firefox's work and then releases it later.

I want a Google and Apple alternative and I'd rather support it at the top of the chain.

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Gnome browser, I’d use ladybird but it’s not ready yet

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Ungoogled chromium, sadly FF has been getting worse over the years (partially because it is getting worse and partially because web developers happen to ignore it's existence) also Chromium has superior security.

I'm hopeful about the future of ladybird but it will take a long time until it is a possible daily driver.

[–] Turturtley@aussie.zone 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

My issue is that while i am concerned about privacy, i’m more concerned with security patching. And none of these smaller browsers have the resources to turn around security fixes as quickly as firefox or chrome.

Firefox is the least of the concerns as long as we have the config options to disable anything deemed not privacy-respecting.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 40 minutes ago

This is the only good critique in this entire thread (thank you) BUT librewolf is on the exact same version as Firefox. It appears their updates are pretty fast.

Would you have config recommendations beyond the obvious?

[–] Marthirial@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Vivaldi. Edge for testing. FF dev edition is garbage. Glitchy, inconsistent, and blunt.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 29 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Still Firefox. Every time Mozilla does anything the entire privacy community goes insane. The terms of use they published seem entirely benign, and the only thing anyone can actually point to is the "direction being worrisome". Well, I'll get worried when they update the terms to be actually onerous. Everything even possibly annoying can be disabled, and it's still the only browser engine offering competition against Chrome ruling the web.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 4 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I don’t see how you could find the terms not concerning and their removal of stating they don’t sell data

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago

What in the terms is concerning? They still have the bulk of the language in the old data privacy guarantee as well. This seems like they just got a more circumspect legal department who wants to cover their ass.

It's always been the case that Mozilla could decide to just make Firefox suck ass. Again, I'll be worried when they actually change the terms to something unacceptable.

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[–] lemminator@lemmy.today 5 points 14 hours ago
[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 14 hours ago

Not sure what you mean by Zen being a skin. Its a fork in the same way Librewolf and Waterfox are forks.

[–] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

Check articFox

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Starting yesterday unfortunately Chrome and not Firefox. I just need a working web browser and haven't had the time to figure out what is wrong with my Firefox installation. I have no clue why but after updating to firefox 135 it eats up all my RAM (20GB+) and uses a significant amount of CPU while idle with only the process monitor tab open. Attempting to browse is unreasonably slow. Refreshing Firefox did nothing, despite now having a Firefox installation which isn't logged into anything and has no extensions. So I figured that if I'm going to deal with a browser not logged into anything it might as well be Chrome for a bit until I can figure out what the problem is since that's what all of the internet is designed to work with lately.

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

I use firefox and am actively looking to change to something, potentially librewolf.

Edit: just installed librewolf. it's super clean and I'm glad I got it. replaced firefox almost instantly.

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[–] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago

As of late using konqueror, it quite bs-less

[–] m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Falkon, because it's fully integrated to KDE. Though I wish an actual Qt web browser running Gecko (or Servo, maybe one day) existed.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I think there is a generaal consensus to say it's not ARC

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[–] KammicRelief@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

I'm a very recent linux convert, coming from windows where I was using Vivaldi and I quite like it. But... are there reasons to switch to something else?

[–] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 4 points 18 hours ago
[–] kazaika@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Firefox. Read the new statements on their website and the Full diff of the pull request. Not concerned at all.

Edit: pumped for ladybird, but its gonna be a few years until that is finished

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[–] Templa@beehaw.org 3 points 18 hours ago

I use Librewolf as my daily driver, however it breaks a lot of websites. We had to purchase plane tickets yesterday and to use regular Firefox.

I was super hyped for Ladybird but there was this weird thing regarding pronouns on their docs (last year?) and no matter the outcome, I just decided to not follow it anymore.

I have Chromium installed for things that break even on regular Firefox and for comparing websites when I need.

On mobile (grapheneOS), I am currently using Firefox Nightly, I think because it was the only one I was able to install extensions from custom repositories, I am not sure if that's still the case. I know I can (and should use) Vanadium, but I always miss my FF extensions when I do it. I play a lot of things so I love when I am automatically redirected from Fandom to a Breeze wiki instance, for example.

I never tried any other browsers of the list, and honestly I am very curious on the differences between Librewolf and Waterfox. Wasn't able to do the research by myself yet.

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