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Elon Musk called on retired air traffic controllers to return to work, citing a shortage amid heightened scrutiny of the FAA under Trump's second term.

With DOT Secretary Sean Duffy's support, Musk's DOGE attempts to "upgrade" aviation systems despite recent FAA job cuts.

The AP reports fired employees included radar and navigational aid maintenance personnel, though Duffy insisted no "critical safety personnel" were terminated.

Musk's appeal comes amid increased public concern over recent aviation incidents, though experts consider the uptick an anomaly.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

lol bet he just found out that his private jet also has to wait in line.

[–] odelik@lemmy.today 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I used to work for Amazon in a division I didn't feel grimey for. Spent over 7 years of my life in that division, doing great things and recurringly got top performer review status and was even awarded role model on top of that on several occasions.

Then they laid me off in 2023, after my latest review of "top performer" & award of "role model".

About 2 weeks ago a recruiter reached out to me for a role in AWS and I responded with, "Amazon shouldn't have laid me, a top performer and role model, off if they'd like me to work for them."

ATCs should give this response to Musk.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

A friend of mine was laid off in a firing of 300 workers. A couple of years later, a new upper manager comes in and tries to hire 500.

The people making decisions at large corporations have no idea what's happening on the ground, they just see major shareholders, a budget and expenses.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

they did a wave massive layoffs in tech in 2023, my bro was included i knew he would be a target, because if you earning that much income, its bound to happen.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

My friend just retired. Today.

He'd been working the same job a decade, but he did about half his career with the same company.

He consistently made 10% less because #union, but it was consistent and reliable. Now he gets half pay until he dies.

People chasing that Amazon pork, I'm thinking made a mistake.

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Shame you can't do the same with CEOs

[–] irreticent@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

You mean that people who work in one of the highest-stress jobs in the world might not want the added stress of being potentially shitcanned at any second by this apartheid manchild?

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was told there was no such thing as a shortage in a free market, why won't the executive branch embrace free market economics?

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Musk is discovering he can't hire foreign workers to replace people at will. That some federal workers perform highly specialized and high stress tasks that you can't fix with his typical knuckle dragging tactics.

Moron with history of fucking shit up fucks shit up. No one stops him. Some applaud. Start the wood chipper.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

As a guy who has to travel for work. I hope that these guys tell him to pound fucking sand

Really highlights how stupid Republicans and Musk really is and how his companies thrived despite his leadership not because.

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[–] chairman@feddit.nl 77 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is so easy to fix. Just ask the remaining ATCs to put in 30 more hours per week. If there is a safety law which needs to be amended to make this happen, just amend it. Remove all the rules and safeguards. We should do it like the Tesla factories.

Look. More air accidents will happen. People should be ready to sacrifice themselves. It's that easy.

So easy to fix.

PS: /s for some of you who may need it..

[–] Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (7 children)

We also need to brace ourselves for hardship. I mean Elon won't be facing monetary hardships but you will. So brace for that.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

Elmo will be facing hardship before he dies.

All his companies rely either on bubbles (hello Tesla!) or pure government assistance (hello SpaceX!) and the guy is a few marbles short of a dozen. He is literally a scammer who got extremely lucky. He is also insufferable to literally everyone around him, even his own family. It won't last.

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[–] LettucePrey@lemm.ee 246 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Well if it isn't the consequences of his own actions.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 115 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fucked around ✅

Found out 👈

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 74 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Not really, tbh. He's pretty clearly just doing as much damage as he possibly can. This whole "Oooh whoopsie, we did a bad, does anyone want their job back?" shit is pure show to give himself some plausible deniability to keep the guillotines at bay.

If you look at what's happening through the lens of his goal being malice, and ignore the "ooooops!" pony show, what you see is a man who's hamstrung an entire nation with literally zero consequences.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 59 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Honestly, this one's not even completely his own fault. Standard bureaucratic ossification has been fucking up ATC staffing for years now. The pay is low, the qualifications are steep, and the responsibility and stress is insane. Why would someone do that? And so, people don't. And, on top of them, management from both the business and political sides simply doesn't give a fuck about safety or morale.

The levels of traffic were just recently increased in that DC airspace where the plane hit the helicopter, and at the time, a bunch of qualified people were trying to raise the alarm that some bad shit was going to happen if they stuffed more aircraft into an already overcrowded area. No one in a position to make any of the decisions cared, and they did it anyway. That all happened before Trump and Elmo came into the picture.

Of course, it is true that their own actions have produced some additional consequences now. They've fired a bunch more people and demotivated all the existing or prospective ones pretty much as much as it is possible to do. And, as much as the existing systems are aging and in need of some modernization, it's absolutely guaranteed that whatever Musk does to "improve" them will make them even worse. All I'm saying is that he didn't entirely create the bad situation he is now about to amplify tenfold.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“upgrade”

Tesla Autopilot… for planes?

EVERYBODY RUN IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION!

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Oh he needs those useless federal workers? Most of those people remember what reagan did and feel no loyalty at all to the republican party.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 148 points 3 days ago (11 children)

"There is a shortage"

ah damn i love that language. reminds me of the boss that abused my mother back when she was still in employment. "there is a shortage, you need to come over on your day off, otherwise we can't handle the workload". how about employing more people? no? maybe because you can't find another fool who will do the work with these bad working conditions?

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What happened to “AI will do it”?

[–] imvii@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 days ago

"I clear cut the forest and now there is a shortage of trees. Woe is me."

[–] arin@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pay more wages, the way of a free market is supply and demand

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago

There's no such thing as a labor shortage.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But what happened to move fast and break things?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They’re broken. We’re onto step 2

  1. Move fast and break things
  2. ???
  3. Profit
[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Step 2 is "Steal everything not nailed down".

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago

its not possible since they are forced to retire by law at 56 anyways, and they already proven that with studies that past a certain age you cant maintain the same cognitive abilities like in your 20s-40s.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 35 points 2 days ago

The shortage is his own damn fault. I wouldn’t want to work any government job right now.

[–] JBar2@lemmy.world 105 points 3 days ago (7 children)

US law mandates retirement at 56 for Air Traffic Controllers due to the high stress and fast-paced multi-tasking nature of the job

It's considered one of the most mentally challenging jobs there are.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/8335

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 days ago

Fucking clown show

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 2 days ago

Exactly how he runs Tesla, too. Fire a bunch of people, just to rehire even more 2 to 3 weeks later.

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 94 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How about you just increase the pay and benefits you’re offering? if you love the efficiencies of the free market so much why don’t you fucking act like it

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[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

Ummm, didn't he fire them? Also, how many air traffic controllers does he think are using his xitty platform?

[–] childOfMagenta@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago

As much as I loathe the twat, this issue predates him. Now, after what he's done to the FAA, good luck convincing them to come back. A very stressful, understaffed job... Sure they'll want to get out of retirement...

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 73 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Fucking beg, fascist bitch.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Time to renegotiate salary!

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[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

doesn't this guy musk like run a lasertag emporium or shit

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago

He is easily the worst person there is to ask for it.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 65 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Yo, air traffic controllers still at work: if y'all have ever considered going on strike, now's the time.

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 65 points 3 days ago

"No OnE wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE" - guy firing a bunch of people without cause.

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 66 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Surprise Surprise Surprise (Gomer Pyle voice)

Just what the fuck did you think was gonna happen Elonia? Fucking idiot...

Leopard, meet face...

🤦‍♀️ 🤷‍♂️ 🖕

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Why would anyone do this when they're likely to be in another wave of mass firings. Imo yall should strike.

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[–] figjam@midwest.social 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if the ATCs will respond to the 5 accomplishments emails they will get

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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago

Yeah I'm sure they're just RARING to work for the most publicly toxic boss (that isn't even a boss) in the world...

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