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German energy giant RWE has begun dismantling a wind farm to make way for a further expansion of an open-pit lignite coal mine in the western region of North Rhine Westphalia.

I thought renewables were cheaper than coal. How is this possible?

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[–] RagnarokOnline@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this headline is misleading.

A better headline might read: “Coal found beneath wind farm. Turbines dismantled to make room for mining operation.”

[–] youRFate@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Still, its lignite, they should cease all mining operations.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i don't think that's any better

[–] RagnarokOnline@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I originally read it as “Germany says ‘Fuck wind as an alternative energy source’ and begins reverting back to coal”, so I figured I’d clarify in case anyone end thought the same thing.

Doesn’t seem like this article indicates that Germans is giving up on alternative energy.

Edit: corrected dumb spelling mistake.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Germany, are you on the drugs?

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ban straws! (even though disabled people need them and they create negligible pollution)

Replace your car with an electric one! (even though it still works fine and will end up in landfill, never mind the environmental cost of producing the new one, or the source of the electricity it uses)

Reduce your carbon footprint! (even though its a term we invented ourselves to shift responsibility to you, while we fly our private jets around creating more pollution than you ever could in 10 lifetimes)

Recycle! (even though 90% of it ends up in landfill anyway because we don't want to pay to actually recycle it)

All equates to

Look the other way while we continue to rape the planet and blame it on you!!!

Never forget - capitalists (and the governments they're co-dependent on) only want more money, they don't car about you or me or the planet, only about themsleves and the numbers in their accounts, and they will never willingly stop doing whatever it takes to make more.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

or the source of the electricity it uses

Oh, quit this noise. In the same countries where electric cars are becoming common, wind/water/sun-produced energy is also on the rise. Electric cars decouple the energy used from the means of production in ways that gasoline will never have, and the potential outweighs the temporary conditions of power generation in socially backward areas like Darfur and America.

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Luckily many people live in democracies where they can simply vote to enact climate policies.

Sadly most people living in those democracies choose to continue enabling climate change.

The reason nothing is being done against climate change isn't corrupt politicians. It's the millions of people voting for them.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol, no.

The fault lies with those who built and benefit from the system, not those trapped in it who are merely given the illusion of choice.

Get off your high horse and aim your anger at the right people, otherwise all you are doing is enabling their rigged system.

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Your first link is US only, your second link is about a completely seperate issue. You don't need to dismantle capitalism to protect the climate.

In Germany, where I live, the voters could easily vote for the greens "Grüne" and the left "Linke".

If those two parties had a majority in government, we'd have a climate friendly system in no time.

But they don't. We had a conservative government for 16 years. Now we have a center government, which sadly includes the small government / free market party "FDP", blocking all significant progress.

No systemic oppression stops people from voting Left/Greens. But they never did, and never will.

There's now an uprise of the far right party "AfD" in Germany, to the point it's becoming one of the major parties.

In Germany people have the choice readily available to stop actively damaging the climate.

But every couple of years, they freely choose to not do that.

I feel like many left-wing people regularly forget about the billions of people who genuinely do not care to do anything about climate change.

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 year ago

Under capitalism, the capitalist class controls the media, and can use their wealth to control the political class.

A democracy can only make choices so far as it's voters are informed, and when a group controls most sources of information, it can control the democracy as a whole.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don’t need to dismantle capitalism to protect the climate.

You absolutely do. If it was profitable to destroy the envrionment capitalism would do it in a heartbeat. And guess what it IS profitable to destroy the environment, that is why it is happening! You cannot protect the environment under capitalism.

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can limit capitalism without abolishing it.

In Germany people are guaranteed 20/24 paid vacation days. That's not profitable.

That's a limit imposed on capitalism. It can be done and has been done without abolishing capitalism.

That's just one of the thousands of policies that limit capitalism.

You can limit capitalism (as literally every capitalist nation does) without abolishing it.

Enforcing climate friendlyness would be just another limit.

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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe they should support more ukkkraine pigmask-off nazis, sanctions against other fuel resources and further terrorist attacks against peaceful infrastructure by their so called amerikkka "allies".

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop trivialising fascism.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the only people trivializing fascism are those who see fascism symbology like the swastika, Black Sun, various nordic runes, etc on the soldiers they're egging on and go "doesn't look like anything to me!" while advocating for the double genocide theory

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you any pictures of Azov with swastika, black sun, or such after they got integrated into the national guard?

Or is that just a convenient propaganda line to make you support an imperial aggressor fielding tons of fascist militias, itself being a mafia state slowly but surely turning fascist?

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Have you any pictures of Azov with swastika, black sun, or such since 2014?

The Black Sun and Wolfsangel have been right on their fucking shit rag of a flag until last year, you fascist turd.

JFC the entire first page of your comments is nothing but nazi apologia, fick dich du kranke Faschosau.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The black sun got removed in 2015, this is the new one. But, go on, spin random bullshit.

JFC the entire first page of your comments is nothing but nazi apologia

Yeah I happen to be arguing with another fascism-trivialising hexbear idiot in another thread.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh and I can prove Azov are still distributing this free taster archive of the magazine via nackor.org, which is where the previous azov.press site migrated to later on. Here is a January 2022 archived page where you can see Azov are still giving away that selection of the magazine for free via their political spinoff the "National Corps", this is one of several of their party websites: https://web.archive.org/web/20220409062917/https://nackor.org/ru/z-dnem-sobornosti-ukraini

Reference for National Corps being directly linked to Azov: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/ukraine-far-right-national-militia-takes-law-into-own-hands-neo-nazi-links

It is the regiment's official political wing and has only suspended political activity during wartime.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nackor.org, which is where the previous azov.press site migrated to later on.

nackor.org is a gambling website now it seems. Certainly not a news outlet, certainly not from the outside.

Reference for National Corps being directly linked to Azov

Wikipedia. Yes they're certainly linked the National Corps is the home of Azov's Nazis.

...squinting at things and considering that National Corps ceased activity in 2022 (to go to the front) it doesn't seem too unlikely that they gave up on nackor.org and the successor to the Black Sun. I guess (really, guess) that it was run by National Corps for the longest time after Azov got integrated.

Anyhow are you seeing those election results. I can't blame Ukrainians for not being too worried about them getting into power.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

nackor.org is a gambling website now it seems. Certainly not a news outlet, certainly not from the outside.

This is just a landing page that is displayed by the server host when a site can't be accessed. It's probably just down, wayback has archives as recently this month.

Anyhow are you seeing those election results. I can't blame Ukrainians for not being too worried about them getting into power.

This is an american's childlike view of politics, in particular it is one that has no understanding of political vanguardism and how absolutely tiny quantities of people can have incredibly outsized influences politically. The UK was pushed into leaving the EU by a political party with 0.2% of the seats that year on year received just 3% of the vote.

What you need to do is not view fascists as one political party, they're several spread out over multiple channels performing vanguardism through multiple methods because it has a far stronger effect. The goal is not to win elections. The goal is to create political forces in motion that move fascists through positions of power in all ways. Liberals think of institutions in the form of "win election and then you get to do your manifesto" but power doesn't just come from elections. Power comes from all elements of a state. The police. The administrative positions. The civil service. The judiciary. The businesses. Small local electoral positions. The media. The military. Etc etc etc. All of these elements can be hijacked without winning any major elections in any way whatsoever. They allow you to turn a country into whatever you want to turn it into because you are the voice of the country regardless of what you consider to be the intended "power" positions.

In essence, if you control the zeitgeist it doesn't matter who wins elections, all politicians are stuck following the zeitgeist, they are subservient to it. If they do not serve the zeitgeist then they simply get tossed out... or killed.

Instead of leaning on these metrics I suggest an alternate method for getting a picture of the influence that fascists currently have in Ukraine and that is looking at the opinions of the total population now vs historic on various topics. One in particular I think you'll find quite alarming is the shift in public opinion of Bandera, who I reckon you're quite familiar with. See this article from a major Ukrainian polling agency. It finds that in 2012 support for Stepan Bandera was only 22%, this is a very good measure for us for what kind of influence the fascists had in Ukraine pre-2014 when the Maidan revolution occurred. Today, after the changes and promotion of his fascist beliefs, the lionisation of him and the remaking of Ukraine that has been underway since Maidan, that support is now 74%. Quote:

In particular, the attitudes that gradually improved are the ones towards Ivan Mazepa (44% in 2012 and 76% in 2022), Simon Petliura (26% in 2012 and 49% in 2022) and Stepan Bandera (22% in 2012 and 74% in 2022).

For any bystanders interested in why this metric is valuable. Stepan Bandera was leader of the OUN (Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists), this organisation collaborated with the nazis in ww2 and killed tens of thousands of jews during the holocaust, it was regarded by the Nazi SS as extreme and particularly brutal even by their standards and I should not need to explain to anyone how evil the SS were.

This is what vanguardism can achieve. You do not need elections to become the dominant ideology of a country. You take over various non-electoral parts of the structure and become the zeitgeist itself and this is all while ignoring the fact that fascists exist within the main parties as well, you see this with your own eyes in America where people at all levels of the structure are having a major influence in the fascist direction, in both electoral and non-electoral positions.

You need to reassess in your head what power actually means. There are many ways to wield it. Liberals often have a misguided perspective that politics = elections when the reality is quite different, elections are a steam valve for society to let off what would be revolutionary energy every few years through a process of giving people "choice". They're not what power is though when the choice is created through far greater forces of influence developed across society on multiple fronts. For a more marxist interpretation of them as a whole this is a strong video.

I additionally strongly recommend the (now suppressed and hard to find) documentary Ukraine on Fire (not to be confused with the propaganda film created to drown it out, Winter On Fire) which released before the war so it's largely free of the fog of war propaganda. It's not marxist but gives a fairly good overview of Maidan and influences within it.

There's another documentary I want to re-find too but am struggling with, might edit if I do find it. There's also another video I wanted to include in this of the far right occupying the rada, locking the doors and refusing to leave until the vote they want is performed. I can't find this but if I mention it here someone might remember what it's in, it's a good example of what power you can have without electoralism.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is just a landing page that is displayed by the server host when a site can’t be accessed. It’s probably just down, wayback has archives as recently this month.

Domain registrant is Domains by proxy, nothing to get there. The logo though is favbet which is a Ukrainian gambling company. Seems like they took over the domain to direct traffic their way, it's exactly the kind of slimy but legal thing you'd expect gambling companies to do.

Last magazine landing page on wayback is June 2022, first gambling landing page June 2023. Domain must've lapsed somewhere in between, which tracks with National Corps getting out of politics.

This is an american’s childlike view of politics, in particular it is one that has no understanding of political vanguardism and how absolutely tiny quantities of people can have incredibly outsized influences politically. The UK was pushed into leaving the EU by a political party with 0.2% of the seats that year on year received just 3% of the vote.

Dude calling me a yank was uncalled for. I'm German, have a look at the AfD when you want to know what having issues with Nazis looks like. (Or, for that matter, the Republican party). And Ukraine, much unlike the UK (or USA) doesn't have a FPTP system, it's proportional so poll numbers actually mean something. Also that vanguard that pushed for Brexit was Etonians not wanting to declare their taxes, the EU had new rules on tax havens coming up.

Also as a body politic the Brits are muppets. They fucking had a referendum on introducing proportional representation and voted against it, can you believe that. Egged on by Russian assets when it comes to Brexit I wouldn't deny it but they're perfectly capable of being bellends all on their own.

In essence, if you control the zeitgeist it doesn’t matter who wins elections,

And, do they? Svoboda, Right Sector, all are deeply unpopular in Ukraine. The people's consensus is some liberal democratic EU-aligned thing, and safety from Russia, not a far-right resurgence. Poroshenko types, that is, electable kind of ring wing, is limited to "gays are icky church good" type of conservatism, but without wanting to murder them. And the SBU currently has its hands full sniffing out Russian collaborators so they're probably not very interested in what a splattering of Nazis with close to zero public backing do at the printing press.

Stepan Bandera

Bandera is a complicated topic, and not distinguishing between Bandera the Nazi (collaborator) and antisemite and Bandera the national hero is disingenuous. Ukraine also has the lowest rate of antisemitism among eastern European states and a Jew is President, witch actually higher approval ratings than Bandera. But yes I'd very much prefer Makhno... alas he wasn't terribly successful and whose fault was that, I give you a hint: That of a vanguard.

I kind of view Bandera in the same way as Churchill who, by all means, was a monster of a politician. And not in the positive way ask e.g. Bengals. Or take the founding fathers as worshipped by Americans, (nearly? not sure about the details) all of them slave owners in one way or the other yet we don't commonly call people with a Washington boner advocates of slavery. Stauffenberg was a monarchist yet he's getting honoured by the Bundeswehr, trying to assassinate Hitler washes over his iffy politics.

You need to reassess in your head what power actually means.

You're talking to an Anarchist. And recommend Marxist analysis. I think I'll pass on being educated by a Marxist on, of all things, power.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Last magazine landing page on wayback is June 2022, first gambling landing page June 2023. Domain must've lapsed somewhere in between, which tracks with National Corps getting out of politics.

None of this really matters. You're overly focused on "they stopped". The fascists haven't disappeared nor have they stopped promoting their views within society. Moving to different tactics isn't a win for anyone, it's like a person playing peekaboo by hiding behind their hands but somehow liberals actually think they've disappeared.

Also as a body politic the Brits are muppets. They fucking had a referendum on introducing proportional representation and voted against it, can you believe that.

Yes. I was there. The liberals caused it by calling for it immediately after Nick Clegg betrayed their voters on his one and only promise of not fucking over student fees, with students making up the majority of the base. The response to the proportional representation vote was largely coloured by the response to Clegg.

Egged on by Russian assets when it comes to Brexit I wouldn't deny it but they're perfectly capable of being bellends all on their own.

Nah not really. Libs love this shit but both we marxists and conservative eurosceptics had been promoting euroscepticism for 30+ years. The greatest foreign influence was american capitalists seeking to strip the country, which they're still doing.

And, do they? Svoboda, Right Sector, all are deeply unpopular in Ukraine.

No. Again you are making a mistake. Votes are not popularity. 35% of people here in the UK support socialism (not social democracy, socialism) but that doesn't translate to a socialist party getting those votes. Not because of a lack of popular but because there is considerable complexity in who gets those votes. If you're German you know this, you know the voters leaving SPD for AfD aren't doing so because AfD they agree with all of its politics but because they don't see any other viable options to use and they want to punish the major parties to send a message.

Bandera is a complicated topic, and not distinguishing between Bandera the Nazi (collaborator) and antisemite and Bandera the national hero is disingenuous.

No it's not. You are literally falling for the fascist propaganda now. This is one of many methods the fascists in ukraine have successfully laundered his image. You should be very concerned that if it is possible for the Ukrainian nationalists to do this with Bandera it is also possible for the German nationalists to do this with Hitler.

Ukraine also has the lowest rate of antisemitism among eastern European states and a Jew is President, witch actually higher approval ratings than Bandera.

Again irrelevant. Ukrainian fascism isn't nazism. Much like Italian fascism was not, nor was Spanish nor Chilean, nor Indian etc etc. Fascism conforms to the national conditions and presents itself differently each time. The use of the word "nazis" here is just to communicate the level of threat really. Their main concern at the current point in time is eliminating the Russian ethnicity alongside the Roma, whose camps they have consistently destroyed and murdered throughout this war. Moving onto other targets like the high proportion of greeks in Donbass would follow, there have been a number of Greeks in donbass who have spoken out about the Ukrainians attacking them, particularly in mariupol they did not like them (you don't need to watch all of this it's just the only place I know of for this particular clip from Greek tv I wanted to share, the first 5 mins or so is worth your time though).

I kind of view Bandera in the same way as Churchill who, by all means, was a monster of a politician. And not in the positive way ask e.g. Bengals. Or take the founding fathers as worshipped by Americans, (nearly? not sure about the details) all of them slave owners in one way or the other yet we don't commonly call people with a Washington boner advocates of slavery. Stauffenberg was a monarchist yet he's getting honoured by the Bundeswehr, trying to assassinate Hitler washes over his iffy politics.

Churchill is a monster who should have been regarded as one, but was not because war. There's a considerable difference between laundering someone without a reason and this.

If anything if you want a hero of Ukrainian nationalism then the real hero of Ukrainian nationalism is Lenin who created the country entirely.

Stauffenberg was a monarchist yet he's getting honoured by the Bundeswehr, trying to assassinate Hitler washes over his iffy politics.

You're being naive again. This is an excuse to honour him, because the people pushing the honouring know what kind of laundering effect it has on the figure and the ideology that figure represents.

You're talking to an Anarchist. And recommend Marxist analysis. I think I'll pass on being educated by a Marxist on, of all things, power.

I grew up in squats and spent 30 years of my life as an anarchist. We probably don't differ politically as much as you think. I am an ML because we have a timelimit from the climate crisis that is going to see millions of refugees pour into europe very soon. The destabilisation this will cause will be on the scale of nothing we've ever seen before and only ML theory has the track record of revolution needed to save at least a some people in the coming chaos when the opportunities to seize states begin. You saw what just tens of thousands of Syrian refugees did to stability in Europe with your own eyes, in particular you must have seen this in Germany. You should know as well as I do exactly what tens of millions will cause. As an anarchist I could not sit by knowing my ideological toolkit was not equipped to try and deal with the death that is coming, and I could not sit around and think myself a moral person knowing exactly what the future holds yet not doing everything in my power to help people. The correct toolkit for the time limits we have is marxism leninism. Will I go back to the black afterwards? Possibly. I'll cross that bridge when it comes as we have no idea what things will look like in the aftermath of it all.

I know full well why you're an anarchist. But I really do ask you to wrestle with the question of what is equipped to save the most lives in all of this. States suck, we all dislike them, we're all in the left because we want them abolished, marxists and anarchists both. But lives are what matter here.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you’re German you know this, you know the voters leaving SPD for AfD aren’t doing so because AfD they agree with all of its politics but because they don’t see any other viable options to use and they want to punish the major parties to send a message.

Yeah and we don't consider protests votes to be Nazis. 2/3rd of the current AfD poll numbers are protest votes btw, 47% want the party outlawed (and among the 47% who don't are plenty saying "they should be dealt with otherwise"), and 10% of people polled to vote for the AfD want the AfD outlawed.

Back to Ukraine: Svoboda has exactly one seat. They can't really be hateful Nazis people don't like that, and they can't go undercover as patriots either because being a patriot really isn't a distinguishing factor while the whole democratic spectrum from left to right is fighting at the front.

No it’s not. You are literally falling for the fascist propaganda now. This is one of many methods the fascists in ukraine have successfully laundered his image. You should be very concerned that if it is possible for the Ukrainian nationalists to do this with Bandera it is also possible for the German nationalists to do this with Hitler.

I'll be concerned if those 70% percent actually come even close to expressing fascist ideas. Again, back to the founding fathers: How many percent in the US see them positively, how many advocate for slavery?

You're falling in a type of "big man" trap. Just because there was a (or more) big men in the past, and they did stuff, and now their memory is recalled, doesn't mean that all of their memory is recalled. This is not Bandera controlling people, it's people looking for some figure to represent national identity and, well, Bandera very much was a nationalist. Currently alive people project things into the past, not the other way around.

Back to Hitler and Germany: No. The conservatives have Bismarck and also Stauffenberg and such, leftists, if patriotic at all, are regionalists.

The use of the word “nazis” here is just to communicate the level of threat really.

No. The choice of words is due to Russian narratives saying "Anyone who opposes us is a Nazi". I've seen too much Russian talking points being uncritically parroted by hexbears to believe otherwise. You know the type, "Kiev is ruled by Nazis" stuff.

Again irrelevant. Ukrainian fascism isn’t nazism.

Svoboda in particular was deeply anti-semitic before they toned it down because nobody liked it. Non-Antisemitic fascists also don't tend to don Germanic symbolism, but that's circumstantial.

Moving onto other targets like the high proportion of greeks in Donbass would follow, there have been a number of Greeks in donbass who have spoken out about the Ukrainians attacking them

From all I know that could be a Golden Dawn guy hating Ukrainians. The plural of anecdote is not data and that's not even a plural. Generally speaking the idea of Ukraine as a multiethnic, and naturally multiethnic state, is very solidly anchored in Ukraine.

...even among the right. Which is why Svoboda and their more ethnophobic lines don't fly well at all, attracting if at all protest votes. The consensus enemy is the Kremlin, and with the Kremlin actually attacking the previous split between ethnic Russians ("we need to try harder to be friends with them") and the rest vanished. The Kremlin, unsurprisingly, interprets that as everyone being Nazi because if you're marching on Moscow (figuratively speaking) you're a Nazi because that's what Nazis do.

If Ukraine is oh so Russophobic why do they have a Russian president, and why are very large portions of the army speaking Russian? Including Azov, btw.

You’re being naive again. This is an excuse to honour him, because the people pushing the honouring know what kind of laundering effect it has on the figure and the ideology that figure represents.

Nah it's choosing an actual patriot over a madman, and giving cultural legitimisation, within the Bundeswehr, to, if need be, assassinate a mad man at the top of the chain of command as an extreme but justified way of fulfilling their oath, to valiantly defend justice and the freedom of the German people. There's no suitable democrat who, in a position like Stauffenberg's, tried a similar thing otherwise that guy would be honoured. Bundeswehr tradition is anything but random.

You saw what just tens of thousands of Syrian refugees did to stability in Europe with your own eyes, in particular you must have seen this in Germany.

Syria had little to nothing to do with it things have been brewing in the east for quite a while now. Remember Lichtenhagen? Among other reasons naive eastern Die Linke politicians saying "fascism can't reach the east because we're all good socialists". Prime Marxist analysis, right there, we've been telling them from the start that they're full of shit and got called Besserwessis for it. The issue with the east is that they don't have decades-long civil society experience combatting fascists because back in the days all politics was party matter, and the party said there were no fascists. The percentage of people with closed right-extreme world view is actually higher in the west than in the east, yet in the east they're making political inroads (and yes Bernd Höcke is a Wessi. Westphale).

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah and we don't consider protests votes to be Nazis. 2/3rd of the current AfD poll numbers are protest votes btw, 47% want the party outlawed (and among the 47% who don't are plenty saying "they should be dealt with otherwise"), and 10% of people polled to vote for the AfD want the AfD outlawed.

It doesn't matter what purpose a protest vote has if it's advancing nazi agendas and change in society. People don't need to be nazis to be influenced by nazis.

Back to Ukraine: Svoboda has exactly one seat. They can't really be hateful Nazis people don't like that, and they can't go undercover as patriots either because being a patriot really isn't a distinguishing factor while the whole democratic spectrum from left to right is fighting at the front.

Once again ignoring all the fascists in the major parties just because their party line isn't "we're fascists". It's like you fucking liberals can't understand that taking off a nazi uniform doesn't actually mean you stopped being a nazi.

From all I know that could be a Golden Dawn guy hating Ukrainians. The plural of anecdote is not data and that's not even a plural. Generally speaking the idea of Ukraine as a multiethnic, and naturally multiethnic state, is very solidly anchored in Ukraine.

It's a war. You're not getting data until 20 years after its finished. Multiethnic? You are out of your fucking mind. Pogroms and mass exterminations have been common since the start of the war. You're not an anarchist, you are a nazi and it is blatantly fucking obvious that you're here playing games and being a silly fuck. It is a considerable waste of time talking to you, eat my ass and kindly follow your leader.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It doesn’t matter what purpose a protest vote has if it’s advancing nazi agendas and change in society. People don’t need to be nazis to be influenced by nazis.

They're not Nazis. Or, differently put, dismissing them as Nazis plays right into the hand of Nazis: Protest voters have a reason they're protesting, there's things that other parties aren't addressing, haven't been addressing for ages, and those voters are pissed.

And you'd understand that if you actually, once in your life, went to a bar and talked to actual blue collar folks, instead of having your head up your own ideologically pure ass. You know, workers. The guys you're supposedly fighting for.

The current failure of the government isn't necessarily even policy -- it's primarily communication, and not signalling an actual turning point. The new heating law does not bankrupt poor homeowners, but they had the genius ideas of having drafts that didn't even include mentions of financial aid. Sure heat pumps are cheaper in the long term but first you have to be able to afford the investment, and many poor home owners don't.

That kind of stuff is what really worries people -- that they'll lose the little economical stability they do have, lose the little property they do own., as the saying goes, Erst das Fressen, dann die Moral. The FDP doesn't care in the first place, the Greens have to be reminded by the SPD (Greens aren't a left party as such) but would not block, either, and the SPD has its head far enough up its own image of itself as worker's party that it's not talking to actual workers before setting policy. Vanguard blindness in a sense.

Inflation? Well, it's not too bad. Some relief would be good, if you can't get that past the FDP just do what the French do and bully supermarkets. Not much to bully when it comes to the discounters but it's also the sentiment that counts.

Asylum? Actually, that's not the issue the issue is housing. An issue they're working on and as the previous government really fucked it up it's slow to start (actual lack of building capacity) but again, communication is shit. Berlin's SPD trying to sabotage the expropriation of landlords doesn't help, that is the exact shit that pisses off the east. At the same time they're co-responsible for the situation as is as they failed to put pressure on the CDU in the Merkel years.

In short: The issue isn't the people being Nazis. The issue is the people being to the left of the government but Die Linke not being an option, either, the east already tried that and I don't mean the GDR times. Three decades of unification and the federal republic is less social then before that's straight up their fault. People have the impression that the party cares more about random sexual minorities than workers, and yes it's true, of course you can, should, and must do both and people wouldn't mind, issue is they didn't do anything for workers.

Remember how fascism is a failed revolution? That right there.

Pogroms and mass exterminations have been common since the start of the war.

[citation needed]. Well you don't need to find those for Russian atrocities those have been well-documented. Show me a Bucha committed by Ukrainians, I'll wait. Show Russian soldiers who were castrated as POWs.

You’re not an anarchist, you are a nazi and it is blatantly fucking obvious that you’re here playing games and being a silly fuck.

How convenient of an opinion for you.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey rember when they just got those new leopard tanks and some rascal painted a bunch of iron crosses on them, which libs insisted was from obscure world War 1 battalion and not where literally everybody knows the iron cross from, to the point the German government said they weren't gonna keep giving them weapons if that shit didn't stop

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Leopards come with iron crosses by default, it's the fucking signet of the fucking Bundeswehr. This is a Bundeswehr tank. These are three Bundeswehr tanks.

Cossack crosses are very similar.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not just iron crosses, he's thinking of the balkenkreuzes that are being painted on tanks. The symbol Germany stopped using after WWII.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah that's an IFF symbol. The Russians aren't doing calligraphy with their Zs either. It's something that soldiers paint with a brush in the field.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Zs aren't an old Nazi symbol. The balkenkreuz is.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

The Balkenkreuz goes back to the Teutonic Order. The Nazis used it a lot which is why the Bundeswehr didn't, but that doesn't mean that painting a cross in a rush makes you a Nazi.

Seriously, what do you think soldiers in the field trying to not get shot at by their own guys are thinking about. I'll give you a hint: Whether it's more important to be camouflaged to the enemy or identifiable for friendlies, that's it. Ukraine is using a simplified version of the Cossack Cross for that purpose, it's a native part of their symbolism and easily distinguishable from the stuff Russians use. If everything that looks like a cross is now a Balkenkreuz and therefore Nazi you might want to take it up with various Christian Churches.

Oh and just for the record you'll get arrested in Germany for showing the Z in a Russia/Ukraine context, including as a St. George Ribbon.

[–] suction@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Delete this InfoWars-level bs misinformation meant to smear clean energy.

One small privately owned wind farm is being disassembled, this is not a general new policy or anything signalling a shift away from clean energy.

[–] emmanuel_car@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

12ft paywall removed link

The demolitions are part of a deal brokered last year between Robert Habeck, the Green party's minister for economy and climate action and Mona Neubaur, who is the economy minister for North Rhine Westphalia, to allow the expansion of the mine.

In return, RWE had to agree to phase out coal in 2030, eight years before the previous deadline. "It's a good day for climate protection," Habeck said at the time.

What’s the timeline for getting this expansion built? And what’s the lifecycle of the plant? I understand there are energy scarcity concerns, but how is this the most economical option when it’s ~7 years until they’re supposed to phase out coal?

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

I suspect that they have no intention of phasing out coal, or there are certain unrealistic requirements that have to be met before the "agreement" to end coal is enforced. It's just pageantry, Germany has no intention of ending coal dependence.

[–] A2PKXG@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's about density. Renewables Are great, but not on terms of value add per square foot. The coal under the wind mill is worth orders of magnitude more than the windmill.

And, it's not as bad as it sounds. In general, the number of windmills keeps increasing.

[–] UlrikHD@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you care about energy density, nuclear is the best solution, not coal. I guess Germans don't care though

[–] A2PKXG@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't say density is the paramount parameter. Also, once you optimize one drawback, it generally gets less important.

I just wanted to put the image into context, and show that it isn't a big step backwards, just sideways perhaps. Or in other words, a sigle wind farm isn't relevant, the sum is

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Mining more coal is extremely relevant though.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cmon Germany I wanna root for you so bad because of your pro-consumer laws but blunders like this and the nuke plants keep making it so damn hard.

[–] andrai@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The contract for RWE to expand the mine there goes back decades and the wind farm operator knew it would be demolished before they build it. It's at the end of its life cycle now and had to be demolished one way or another.

German government could either breach their contract with RWE and pay them compensation or allow the destruction of a derelict wind park in exchange of RWE stopping coal extraction 8 years earlier then planned. It's a job well done by the government.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are the Government, they can just shut down coal immediately by law. Make all coal extraction immediately illegal, sue RWE for climate destruction, throw the executives in jail. Save the planet.

[–] DaDragon@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that legal? I’ll tell you the answer, it’s not. They would need to pay massive payouts to RWE for breach of contract. What you’re describing is rule of emotion, not rule of law.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

It's legal if the Government of Germany makes it legal, and as other posters have pointed out, there are already ways that it could be done legally. Stop supporting fossil fuels.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Didn't the green party in Germany have power in government right now? And weren't they the same guys who dismantled their nuclear plants?

I'm not very informed on German politics but if the answer to both was yes they should really rename their green party to the coal party.

[–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The original contract with the company RWE was made in the 1990s and included destroying whole towns for the coal mine, which was planned to be in use until 2038.

What we see now is a compromise between RWE, the state of North Rhine-Westphalia and the federal government to save the remaining towns and close the mine earlier (in 2030). The wind turbines are from 2001 and are nearing the end of their lifecycle.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why not introduce a coal tax of 1million per ton, no need to modify the contract at all. If they want to pay 1million per ton to mine the coal, RWE is more then welcome to do so. It is their legal right after all.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This would likely end up hurting consumers more than RWE, because the "merit order" pricing system sets electricity prices depending on the production cost of the most expensive unit of electricity that is being consumed at a given time (usually coal). So raising the production cost of coal-based electricity sadly will also raise electricity prices, so long as renewables don't take over a larger share of the market.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I mean of course it would hurt consumer absent government intervention, that is the design of the market system. Socialize costs, privatize the profits. But it doesn't HAVE to be that way if Germany actually wanted to go green.

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