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The Trump administration has begun flying undocumented immigrants from the US to a military detention facility at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, the White House press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, said on Tuesday.

Leavitt told Fox Business Network that at least two deportation flights were “under way”, but gave no further details.

Her comments, however, appeared to confirm reporting by the Wall Street Journal, citing an anonymous official with knowledge of the operation, that about a dozen immigrants were onboard one flight from Fort Bliss, Texas. The newspaper said an additional flight had departed on Monday.

CNN later reported one of the flights had “about nine or 10” people onboard who were detained in the US without valid immigration documents.

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[–] sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 30 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yesterday, inspired by the news about mass depaorations, i watched a documentary on the Final Solution.

Among a lot of interesting things, one thing stood out to me: The original Nazis were afraid that the german people would not only reject genocide, but also reject the idea of jews (aka. their neighbors) being sent to brutal labor camps.
So they produced propaganda movies depicting the city Theresienstadt as a spa town. And then told the public that the jews would be sent there to be protected from the increasingly antisemitic public.

To lull victims into a false sense of security, the SS advertised Theresienstadt as a "spa town" where Jews could retire, and encouraged them to sign fraudulent home purchase contracts, pay "deposits" for rent and board, and surrender life insurance policies and other assets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_Ghetto

Nowadays, you can just tell the american people:

Hey, we are gonna send your neighbors to a torture camp. Great camp. Lovely camp. Most brutal camp of the world.

And they are like: Yessss, finally a solution to the migrant question.

I can also recommend Life Under Adolf Hitler: The First Years Of Nazi Germany.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago

I feel like a lot of blunders hinge on underestimating how racist the average person is.

[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 17 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I am almost done migrating away from all US businesses as a result of this. I am even drinking freeway cola 😅

I work in IT as a freelance DevOps/Cloud engineer and am advising all my clients to migrate away from AWS etc.

Even sold most of S&P 500 and reinvested into an all-world ex-US ETF.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Thank you for your service

[–] Burn1ngBull3t@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Heyy !

Just curious what you recommend your clients now ?

[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This is a good start:

https://european-alternatives.eu/

Mostly moving to hetzner. It's a bit rough around the edges but works.

One big thing missing is there is no good and affordable WAF. Myra is good but costs at least 10k/month.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 35 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Has the Orange Turd installed the ovens yet?

[–] sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

They'll do when they realize that's the only way to fit 30,000 immigrants into a torture camp that can hold < 1000 inmates.

By May 2003, the Guantanamo Bay detention camp had grown into a larger and more permanent facility that housed over 680 prisoners, the vast majority without formal charges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 141 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The correct name is concentration camp. it is very important that people understand that this is a concentration camp.

The term "concentration camp" and "internment camp" are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law.[2] Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as "concentration camps".[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp

the new death camps outside of Germany's prewar borders could be kept secret from the German civil populace.[40]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

The fact that this camp is being set up outside the jurisdiction of the rule of law makes it a concentration camp and makes it 100x worse than any other immigration prison

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Is Guantanamo considered “outside the rule of law”? Hopefully journalists will be allowed there to report freely in the treatment and conditions.

[–] zeca@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 6 minutes ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

the U.S. Department of Justice claimed that habeas corpus—a legal recourse against unlawful detention—did not apply to Guantanamo Bay because it was outside of U.S. territory.

The Bush administration maintained that it was not obliged to grant prisoners basic protections under the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva Conventions, since the former did not extend to foreign soil and the latter did not apply to "unlawful enemy combatants". Various humanitarian and legal advocacy groups claimed that these policies were unconstitutional and violated international human rights law;[5][6] several landmark U.S. Supreme Court decisions found that detainees had rights to due process and habeas corpus but were still subject to military tribunals, which remain controversial for allegedly lacking impartiality, independence, and judicial efficiency.[7][8]

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 18 minutes ago

They absolutely should be allowed to. It is an American basd and the rights of the prisoners there must be upheld and monitored.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 113 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

Sure would have been nice if Obama or Biden had actually closed Guantanamo Bay when they had the chance.

I liked to find silver linings where I can, and what I'm hoping is that when the shambles of the American government finally get back into Democratic hands (or whatever opposition party replaces them, at this point) there will finally be a realization that actual for real change is needed. Democratic politicians have been just treading water for decades now.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

Biden's administration used the camps Trump created to deport people.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 24 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not American so I could be way off but didn't they try but were blocked by Republicans? At the very least they reduced the count of inmates to only the more complicated ones (ie. where do they get sent to, what do we, do we completely fried this guys brain, etc)

[–] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago

Yeah I remember Obama wanted to close it, but then the big question of where to move the prisoners to in the US had to be answered, and nobody wanted to hold them. It was politically dead at that point.

[–] Reasonable_Guy@lemmy.world 33 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I hope we all survive long enough for that to happen

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 52 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out
Because I'm one of the good ones

[–] sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 5 points 2 hours ago

... i did not speak out because premature Nazi comparisons diminish the Nazi crimes and are antisemitic.

We'll have to wait for at least 5 million gassed before we can think about Nazi comparisons.

/s just in case.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 55 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

The point of Guantanamo Bay is that it's not under Cuban law and also not quite under US law. So they really want to be able to do anything to the people they deport there.

Having seen some of these leopards-eating-my-face stories, I expect there will be Trump voters who are surprised to suddenly find themselves being tortured in Guantanamo Bay. It's very frustrating because everyone did try to warn them.

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[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 69 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I guess all men are not created equal.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 41 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

the man who wrote that owned ~150 people and forced children to work in a nail factory

[–] Rageagainstbelief@lemmy.world 52 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I get the irony but we should still try to work toward the ideal not away from it.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 34 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

When is a prison camp not a prison camp? When it's run by the USA! 🥴

[–] Tja@programming.dev 26 points 17 hours ago

It's not a prison, they're just concentrating them there.

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