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[–] alex@jlai.lu 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Being emotionally detached from really stupid leadership decisions is harder than it seems

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Took me a lot of years to not think it's my company that is being run into the ground. I should not - and nowadays could not - care any less.

[–] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The book The Responsibility Virus helped me a lot with this. Most people are over-responsible for the choices of others, specifically ones they can't reasonably influence, anyway.

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I stopped giving a shit a long time ago. I do my best to consult and warn and if they don't listen it's not my problem.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm determined to ever only work in public, state-owned companies. I believe in a causal connection between being a private, profit-oriented business and the daily "wtf" moments, the only true measure of quality.

Edit: fixed the link.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The company doesn't care about you. The company doesn't care about you. The company doesn't care about you.

[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My uncle spent years preaching to me about the need to be loyal to a company. I never drank the Kool-Aid. He spent 21 years working for an investment banking company in their IT department. 4 years before he was set to retire with a full pension, etc. his company was acquired by a larger bank. He lost everything except his 401k. He then spent the next 12 years working to get his time back so he’d be able to retire. He died 2 years ago and the company sent a bouquet of flowers.

THE COMPANY DOESN’T CARE ABOUT YOU!!

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The company cares about you in the same way a beef farmer cares about his cattle.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago

No, they don't care that much

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

They refer to you as .... HUMAN RESOURCES

You aren't a person, you are an instrument the company uses to make more money for itself. If you die or can no longer work, you will be replaced by another human resource.

[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not even if you do valuable or efficent stuff for the company. You're disposable.

also you might not be replaceable but your manager might be an idiot

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The most important traits for doing well at work (in this order):

  • clear, effective, and efficient communication
  • taking ownership of problems
  • having your boss and team members like you on a personal level
  • competence at your tasks
[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I'm halfway through scrolling this long thread, and this is the first comment I've seen that isn't overly cynical. It's also correct.

I've been working for 38 years, and I've been someone who makes promotion decisions for 15 of them. The third one is helpful, not essential, but the others are super important. The people who rise to leadership positions aren't necessarily the top technical people, they're the ones who do those things with a good attitude.

The other thing I'd add is that they're people who are able to see the big picture and how the details relate to it, which is part of strategic thinking.

[–] maporita@unilem.org 6 points 1 year ago

I was taught that my job is "to make sure all my bosses surprises are pleasant ones". 15 years of working as an engineer and that never changed. Now I have my own business and that's the thing I look for employees.. someone I can leave on their own to do a job. It they have problems they can always ask me. If they screw up I expect them to tell me immediately and to have a plan of action to fix it and to prevent it happening again. And I never ever get cross if someone does come to me and say they screwed up. Far better that we tell the client about a problem than wait until the client finds the problem themselves.

Reading all these comments makes me realize how lucky I've been in my career. I've always had great bosses who defended me and backed me up.

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[–] incogtino@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your employer does not care about you. You are not important or irreplaceable

Take your time and energy and put it into your life, not their business

I have had coworkers die (not work related) and by the time you hear about it (like the next day) they have already worked out who will get the work done so the machine doesn't have to stop

[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think taking action to fill a hole is indicative of not caring.

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[–] jbrains@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no ideal place to work where they "do it right", whatever kind of "right" you care about right now. When you change jobs, you merely exchange one set of problems for another.

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[–] Abrslam@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes it's better if your employer doesn't know everything you can do. If you're not careful you'll end up Inventory Controller/shipper/IT services/reception/Safety officer, and you'll only ever be paid for whatever your initial position was.

I wanted to be a system engineer, I got hired as a devops, I started doing a bit of system engineer, called hr and said that I'm working on infrastructure and I need my title changed or else I won't be able to continue my work, my title was changed, no I do system engineer stuff and less of devops, this was a very rare occasion but it can happen from time to time.

[–] Polymath@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The longer you work anywhere -- and I mean ANYWHERE -- the more you see the bullshit and corruption and crappy rules or policies and inequality all over.
For me it has been about the 3 year mark anywhere I've worked: once you get past that, you fade away from "damn I'm glad to have a job and be making money!" and towards "this is absolute bulls#!t that [boss] did [thing] and hurt the workers in the process!" or similar

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[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't have to run the rat race to get promoted. You don't have to be at your desk at 7am and leave at 7pm to put on a show. Just be competent. Most people are not. You'll eventually get promoted once you are old and white enough.

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

HR protect the company first, the employees second.

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[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Your employer is ALWAYS looking for a way to either get more work out of you for the same compensation, or replace you with some one or some process that produces the equivalent output for less cost. The entire idea that employees should be loyal to their employers is one of the most successful propaganda campaigns ever spawned by capitalism.

[–] dansity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People in your workplace don't know shit. There are a few who know stuff but the majority is dumb, careless or the combination of the two. Surprisingly the higher you go the more dumb and careless there are. We are designing monster billion dollar construction projects and some of my colleagues have problems with understanding written english. Others cannot learn a software that has literally 3 buttons in them they have to press. I don't even know sometimes why I am trying.

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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hold on dearly to any leverage you might have over your employer

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[–] 77slevin@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

No matter how much you invest you're time and effort for your job: You are expendable, and the only people who will know you were absent from home because of work 20 years later, will be your kids.

[–] superfly_samurai@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There's no such thing as quiet quitting. I prefer acting your wage.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

My biggest lesson was that decades of work means nothing if you become disabled (in the US).

You can end up with literally nothing and lose literally everything if you become disabled. Even if you still have skills, even though you worked hard to contribute to society for decades, it can all go away overnight and you can suddenly not afford food anymore. There’s no safety net, and you won’t learn that until you need it.

Because fuck you.

[–] Elw@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Boundaries. Establish them and defend them with every ounce of your being. If you don't, most employers will grind you in to the dirt and send you out to pasture when you eventually crack under the pressure. Better to establish healthy boundaries up front. Not only will you find yourself more frequently surrounded by people you like and share mutual respect with, you will be happier and land fewer "shit" jobs because employers looking for people to send to the meat grinder will see that they can't grind you down and you'll be filtered from the hiring pool before you ever have to suffer at their hands.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It has taught me that imposter syndrome fucking sucks.

On a more serious note, it’s taught me to be a solid ally for colleagues but always be skeptical of the business owners and decision makers themselves. I woke up to a layoff along with 5 other people and was laid off for 3 months before I found a new gig. Don’t allow emotions to cloud your job search. It’s all a negotiation and you should push for whatever you can get in terms of salary, PTO, etc. Never sell yourself short because the company sold you some story about how they need help.

[–] patomaloqueiro@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Minimum wage, minimum effort

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

A lot of truth in this thread, albeit too cynical for my taste. Yes, the company as soulless, emotionless entity doesn't care for you. However, your coworkers might, even your boss.

Also, my main take away:

  • make sure you know your worth
  • make sure the right people know your worth
  • make sure the right people know that you know your worth

If you make your work processes more efficient, you don’t need to tell anyone right away, if at all.

[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you're doing more than you're supposed to do, or doing things outside of normal work time, no matter what DOCUMENT IT. If they're a good employer, they'll compensate and reward you, if they're a bad employer you can leave and it'll be easier to update your resume by referencing your own documentation

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[–] CoolBeance@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's suffocating to be in a middle management position because you get squeezed by the higher-ups and your own team. If the higher-ups make a decision that your team dislikes or vice versa, you're going to be in the shitter with whichever party suffered every time even if you had the best intentions.

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[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Efficient workers get more work if you're in the office. I work from home, and that allows me to work efficiently until my work is done, set up scheduled emails to go out at the time I would've otherwise been done, then do what I want until then.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

It's a double edged sword. I was very efficient, and did get more work, which got me noticed and eventually promoted out of a doing position into a leading position

It's a nice change, the work is light, the people side of the work is easy. I have higher pay and much more free time

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