Yes.
Evidence suggests that X is a hate site run by a fascist.
Meta isn't quite there yet, but heading in the same direction.
this post was submitted on 21 Jan 2025
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I think both Twitter and Musk are incredibly toxic for society, but we don't want to set that precedent. People can make their own choice whether to visit the site. At most, links to Twitter should be flagged as such.
FFS i come here to lemmy to escape this censorship delirium. If you are just going to be "reddit at home" might as well have actual reddit
Yes... we should probably ban Xitter links... but maybe allow other front ends? You know, because screenshots can be forged.
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I'm all for banning oligarchic media (news, social, etc). The dude sig heiled and literally controlled the social media narrative to further his political agenda, and people are like "buT MY fReE sPeACH!". Also, I can't even read those posts since they require you to log in.
Would it be possible to automatically change Twitter links posted and substitute them with a mirror site?
Fuck no, great way to alienate yourselves, stifle platform growth and decrease content/engagement
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I don't think you should do this, so what makes you better than them? π€·ββοΈ
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Anything from US media should be banned as well. The US created nato using a lot of high-level nazi party members. It supports nazi collaborator Banderaists in Ukraine.
Not all US media is the same. You have to look at the structure of ownership, political pressure, advertising, and income. Treating reporters differently based on their nationality is not a good precedent to set. We need a variety of perspectives from every country, including independent media such as NPR and Wikipedia, both of which are founded in the US but provide information not on just the US but also stories around the world. No superpower, whether China, Russia, or the US should get to control the narrative. The real goal is to unite the working class against all authoritarian-capitalist-oligarchical regimes. Don't feed into Russia's anti-NATO justification for the Ukraine war. Not because I'm pro-NATO. Not because I don't believe the US has a Nazi problem (I do). I just recognize crypto-Putin apologia when I see it. I hope working people in Ukraine and Russia will both be free someday from the influence of superpowers, dictators, and billionaires.
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Wasn't Lemmy supposed to be for free speech/anti-censorship and shit? Or maybe I got it wrong? Yall do realize there are many reasonable things on X and not just the right-wing/Elon stuff. Right?
Lemmy is software that can be used however the instance admin that hosts the community that you are using want it to be used. It is censorship proof which means that you are free to launch your own instance and publish your own content which will be sent to and be accessible from other Lemmy software instances that federate with you and allow the content or people can sign in themselves to your local instance if you allow them to make accounts and access your software and hosting.
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You have to be willing to walk away from and ignore corporate media platforms, or else they'll never be defeated. And content creators need to also learn to not post their stuff to these platforms.
Some people take umbrage in supporting a publication owned by a nazi.
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Block them. If they have something interesting or important to say, just quote it. Don't send them even more traffic and attention.
A quote is not a source. The news often misquotes people or takes words out of context.
A tweet should be screenshotted with the original link along with an alternate to xcancel.com.
If the tweet itself has a link or mentions something elsewhere, a link to that source should also be provided.
Sounds like a lot but anything less is misinformation, as far as I'm concerned. So much news and memes have been spread where the subject is taken out of context. Hours or days or years will go by before people come to discover the true meaning of something and by then the impression has already been made.
Are we trusting a site being run by a known white nationalist/Nazi as a news source?
Agreed. At least send the link shared to Twitter then, if there's any. A screenshot is better than nothing.
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Do you think Lemmy should act like Meta, which banned Pixelfed links and Mastodon instances?
Logic like this is like refusing to use violence against colonizers because your colonizer uses violence.
Tactics cannot be evaluated solely on the basis of whether your opponent uses them. Banning certain sources robs them of a little bit more reach and that's a good thing if you're talking about an explicitly fascist platform. I think either screenshots or archive links should be the only time x posts are allowed.
I'd prefer to see people screenshot/crop and also link to an archived version or a frontend. These services (X, Instagram, Meta, etc.) often require you to login for a lot of things (including seeing posts) and also block VPNs.
It definitely is harmful to Lemmy's userbase to click on these links, but I also don't think we should create a walled garden. Users can always choose to use solutions like LibRedirect.
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There's always xcancel. Does that not solve most people's concern?
Itβs compatible with banning original links, and can break later
I think it's important to preserve the original source for verifiability.
Perhaps require the main link to be to a mirror or screenshot, but allow the original link in the body of the post.
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Is there a technicality for xcancel.com?
There should be a bot that converts the links like there is for youtube.
Yes. Ban it. No more traffic to big social media. If something is newsworthy there will be a blog post about it.
Difficult question to answer.
- things happen on Twitter / Threads / Gab/ etc that are important/worth hearing about , or at least interesting, but
- I do not wish to send any traffic to these sites
- and definitely do not wish them making any money from my traffic
In the end I think we should not forbid or block, but be much more careful what we share from those sites. I also think itβs important - very important - to make any competing social media much more interesting to people wanting to be involved and kept up to date. How, I donβt know either but we shouldnβt be too strict on eg Bluesky, rather cooperate or something.
no. but I hope the software increasingly gives power doward. block at every level for the individual. block keywords. follow other uses blocklists. etc. and communities should decide at that level but ideally at the highest level you want no interferance.
It would be nice to have more curation control as a user.
So easy to just screenshot or something there is no reason to link there.
Sources are important, along with screenshots. Images can be manufactured or manipulated. Posts can be edited.
It's crazy that you're getting downvoted. It seems, people WANT to be fed fake news as long as it aligns with their beliefs.
Yes and ban Meta too.
does not make any sense to ban if you dont want x link just dont open it but letting data to not flow on instance and instead using screenshot will just decrease the storage