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The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area.

“Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday.

“When I talk to myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward, like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path. And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.

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[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It is a proxy war against America. You don't win those. You just set yourself up a good position and dig in. America gets bored and leaves and then you can pick over what is left of what was destroyed. So you don't win, you just wait for America to forfeit.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Russia does not have the resources for that. A reminder this isn't a proxy war for them, even though it is for the West. Russia is there in person conventionally and is somehow losing to a minor Western ally.

The Ukrainians aren't going to run out of stuff within the next year for sure, and maybe not ever because even if the US gets bored Europe is highly invested. Russia has negligible productive capacity of it's own, and is bound to have serious problems eventually, unless they convince China to help and China has so far been uninterested. They could theoretically win by population attrition, I guess, but nobody's really talking about that yet. And, to do anything, they need political stability, after already having one mostly-failed coup.

[–] LeateWonceslace@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Imagine liking a queerphobic dictatorship.

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[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's not just the US though. The European powers are far more firmly committed. It's not at all clear that the rest of NATO will simply walk away if/when the US does. Especially the former Soviet nations; this is not a fucking game to them. The loss of US support would be huge, but I don't see a universe in which the Europeans just roll over for Putin once the US loses interest.

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[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

this thread is wild

can we remember, everyone:

  1. discussion on who is winning has no bearing on discussion of who is in the right, and vice versa

  2. Russia, Ukraine, and NATO can all be evil and wrong for separate and true reasons

  3. criticizing NATO does not amount to supporting Putin

  4. criticizing Putin does not amount to supporting NATO

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[–] shiteyes2@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol I read the whole thread. Yeah somebody is definitely winning this mess shall we interview the pile of bodies on the east side or the west side hmm I don't know

[–] ennemi@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's an investment, remember

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[–] crowsby@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm glad to see that incessant and pervasive whataboutism is welcome in the Fediverse. I was afraid for a few weeks that I had left it behind with Reddit but clearly that's not the case.

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