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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 5 points 27 minutes ago (1 children)

If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.

Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances.

I've seriously thought about starting up a website to do exactly this. The problem is I already have a mile long project list. Oh and I suck at UX lmao, backend and hosting/infrastructure stuffs that's my jam. Putting together a nice UX with a good flow and then successfully promoting it....

[–] Whateley@lemm.ee 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

"I'm protesting American oligarchs and the surveillance state by willingly giving my personal data to Chinese oligarchs and the surveillance state. Lol, get rekt. I am very smart."

[–] holo@lemmy.wtf 3 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

Yes, as there is nothing China can do to me.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world -1 points 19 minutes ago (1 children)

At least not until they use their influence operations to elect a pro-China president.

[–] holo@lemmy.wtf 0 points 15 minutes ago

...every president until 2016 was pro China, because the owners of the US government were pro China until China improved too much and started competing instead of just being a source of cheap labor.

And who cares if a pro China president is elected? Oh no we'll have cheap food, universal healthcare and no homelessness. How awful.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 2 points 26 minutes ago

" . . . giving Rednote access to their data as a show of protest . . ."

That's a special kind of stupid.

[–] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I know we are all on here because we dislike the kind of algorithms that tik tok, Instagram, and Facebook have, but that is exactly the thing my wife was looking for. When I had her download pixelfed and loops she was like ' I have to search out content and manually follow people like I did with Facebook back in the day?' and she uninstalled.

Algorithms can be addictive and evil, but for some people that's what they're looking for.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

Okay, well I have impulses to go and get drunk, do hard drugs, and attempt to sleep with random women. None of those things are close to a good idea for me.

Just because you feel drawn to something or a type of thing does not make it healthy or a good idea for that person. Taking desires and expressing them in a healthy way is important, desires dont just disappear.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Somewhere deep in the CCP...

Senior Operative: "What intelligence have we gleaned from the Americans so far?"

Junior Operative: "I'm beginning to think this well is dry."

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 hour ago

"They love to virtue signal apparently, not sure how that helps us takeover their country though."

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I have long since given up on Normies ever coming to the Indie Web, federated or otherwise

Ever since the big Xwitter exodus, when people went to BlueSky when Mastodon was right there.

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 2 points 16 minutes ago

Xitter* (x pronounced sh style)

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

Platforms that work and are easy to use*

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago

idk, pixelfed is doing great.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

really?

[–] hector@sh.itjust.works 24 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that's just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)

People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.

If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.

It's engineered for a niche, and it's perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.

No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Reddit got quite successfull over the years.

I think the potential audience for lemmy is huge, just that people havent gotten the same marketing hype/trend like you pointed out.

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Reddit userbase absolutely skyrocketed when Obama (then president) did an AMA. The site was never quite the same after that

[–] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Where were people's protests & complaints when the US government were first proposing the ban?

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

Everyone assumed that they wouldn't be so stupid as to ban an app used by 170,000,000 Americans.

Now they've proven that yes they are that stupid. That corrupt.

So nah. Not going back to any US based alternative. Ever. TT to Red Book. If they ban Red Book we'll go to VK or Jaco or whatever Vietnam has going on.

Best part? It took all of about 2 hours to completely obliterate 60 years of CIA propaganda. We can see plain how much better they have it than we do. How much better life is there.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 21 points 11 hours ago

Apparently some Israeli-Americans went on Red Note to specifically asked Chinese people what they thought of Israel, and users basically said they were "Devil's on this earth for killing babies" which like...damn. Even through the Great Firewall they aren't beating the allegations.

So I'm sure the Israeli lobby will get that banned next, we shouldn't worry.

[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 65 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn't know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it's not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:

edited Gru with an uncanny smile

[–] Cycle0861@lemmy.world 2 points 30 minutes ago

I know. I'm here and I don't even know what they're talking about, much less my friends. I suppose it's Loop? But a quick search in app store brings up nothing

[–] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 21 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)

Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute

I had a point in here somewhere but I’m so tired i lost it so feel free use your imagination

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[–] watty@lemm.ee 47 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.

Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.

Apparently convenience isn't actually a barrier? I'm baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 6 points 7 hours ago

A big barrier is the UI, the default lemmy UI is terrible.

The apps aren't great either, I'm very techy and haven't found one feels as nice as reddit (and the reddit app has many issues)

Normies just aren't going to push past all those barriers

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

show me a federated system that has a bunch of cool tiktoky videos….
afaik, it’s mostly text and that much data would be a huge problem

[–] amon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Loops by Pixelfed

IMO it is DOA because the whole point of TikTok is the feed algorithm. You're not supposed to pick what to watch, the algorithm knows your interests. The idea of TikTok therefore is fundamentally unethical and any libre alternatives will be hindered by the fact that users want the unethical part which no developer should or wants to implement.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t see why the concept should be unethical.

In practice, of course it is insanely unethical as the algorithms are designed to maximize view time which leads to algorithmic radicalization and hate spreading more quickly, but the concept of an algorithm knowing and learning what you like and selecting for you itself isn’t unethical.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

It’s expensive for video though.

In other words, I have a hard time seeing Pixelfed with a high quality "benign" TikTok algorithm. It’s already possible for music, but video data\analysis is just so voluminous that, without the profitable exploitation backing it, I don't see how they'd pay for it.

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 0 points 6 hours ago

I don’t see why the concept should be unethical

I give every dog I meet all the peanut butter it can eat no matter what every time whether or not the dog is mine

[–] nroth@lemmy.world 31 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I think it's probably marketing more than convenience

[–] witten@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It's marketing, but it's also the value proposition. Average Joes don't see the value in decentralization, privacy, or the freedom from corporate control. Although that may change under an authoritarian regime....

[–] jodanlime@midwest.social 15 points 15 hours ago

I agree. You have to either be in the tech sphere or privacy sphere to know about fediverse apps. Outside of reddit refugees I don't think anyone using the normal apps know about fediverse options or what that even means to be decentralized. I don't think it's really a functionality or convenience issue, we really need our own special interest groups or something to help with fedi app branding and PR. Not sure if that is even something that is crowd sourceble?

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 25 points 16 hours ago

Ptime example:

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

TikTok doesn't want the data of the average person becaue they aren't valuable in any way.

TikTok is being blocked because they can manipulate their algorithm to feed influencers to them that push pro-Chinese stances.

Imagine a hypothetical hot war between the US and China where China is telling a significant number of the US population what to think. I specifically say it that way becaue I don't believe any US company has a significant user base is China.

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

What pro Chinese stances?

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 6 points 12 hours ago

And because of the potential blackmail stuff I suppose

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 66 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

They want a platform that isn’t controlled by oligarchs yet they go to a platform that is controlled by the CCP, interesting

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 66 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I mean the CCP isn't an oligarchy; it's an old school dictatorship.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 51 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You have been site-banned from .ml

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

In addition, every hour, on the hour, a jackbooted wannabe PLA soldier that looks remarkably like they could be any random 15 year-old kid from Cleveland will be at your door to read- and mispronounce several paragraphs of The Communist Manifesto.

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago

People so stupid

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 75 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

FWIW Pixelfed's been growing like crazy the last couple days

Source: https://pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats

edit: loops has a much smaller userbase but has also gained active users in the last couple days: https://loops.fediverse.observer/dailystats

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 118 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

Lemmy doesn't have the censorship and speech-control from those platforms, but it pretty much distributes your data widely to anybody that asks for it.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 114 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Hear me out: if you post stuff publicly, it is out there. The issue is data that shouldn’t be public getting public

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