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I recently took up Bazzite from mint and I love it! After using it for a few days I found out it was an immutable distro, after looking into what that is I thought it was a great idea. I love the idea of getting a fresh image for every update, I think for businesses/ less tech savvy people it adds another layer of protection from self harm because you can't mess with the root without extra steps.

For anyone who isn't familiar with immutable distros I attached a picture of mutable vs immutable, I don't want to describe it because I am still learning.

My question is: what does the community think of it?

Do the downsides outweigh the benefits or vice versa?

Could this help Linux reach more mainstream audiences?

Any other input would be appreciated!

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nix is atomic, not immutable

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[–] Cris16228@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Could you share some pics (without anything private ofc) of bazzite? I wanted to try it but I couldn't use it as live distro. My main problem is arch because I'm used to apt and I find pacman or whatever it uses difficult for me (nothing I can't learn ofc)

I love the idea of getting a fresh image for every update

What do you mean? Thanks

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't have any pics cause I'm not currently near my computer that runs bazzite.

If you're mainly using GUI apps you'll probably just be installing everything through flatpak, which you can use via the Discover store that comes with KDE Plasma. CLI apps are installed using homebrew.

The docs might give you some insight on using it: https://docs.bazzite.gg/

[–] Cris16228@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

Noooooo! I'll install it on VM

If you're mainly using GUI apps you'll probably just be installing everything through flatpak, which you can use via the Discover store that comes with KDE Plasma. CLI apps are installed using homebrew.

99% of the times on KDE neon I install using deb files and dpkg

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[–] urata@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not really sure how the upsides of immutable distros work. I've been using linux for a long time and I'm not an expert but I've learned bits of things here and there.

I recently bought a steamdeck and it's running an immutable distro. I don't really know how to use software that's installed via flatpak because it's weird.

I have a game installed that runs badly (unplayable for me) through proton. I can launch it through q4wine if I switch the steamdeck into "desktop mode" and it runs much better.

If it wasn't an immutable distro I could pretty easily make a shell script that launches the game through wine. Then I could add that shell script as a non steam game and it would (I think) run well, and I'd be able to launch it from the non desktop side of steam OS that is a lot more streamlined.

There is something comforting to me about immutable distros though.

I feel like I don't remember half the shit I have installed on my computers. If I wanted to start cutting things out I don't know where I'd start. But with flatpaks I get the sense I could probably just wipe anything I don't use out of the flatpak directory and I probably wouldn't break anything.

[–] anguo@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

I'm fairly certain you could still run that shell script on steamOS? I don't understand why an immutable distro would keep you from doing that. It's essentially what Lutris and Heroic Games launcher do.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I think it's good if you have a ton of storage and want to set it and forget it. For me, immutable depresses me. I came to Linux for the tinkering and the ability to do what I please to my system, not to be restricted. That's just me, though. For handhelds/strictly gaming machine (a Steam machine for example)? I think immutable is the perfect fit for it.

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[–] oaklandnative@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

I'm using Bluefin and overall it's great. However, there are some unique issues due to immutability and flatpak.

  1. It's more difficult to utilize a NAS. For example, on something like Mint, I can open Proton Drive on Firefox, and I can use FF to upload files from my NAS to PD.

On Bluefin, I can access my NAS and all files using the Files app, but not using FF, and I cannot accomplish the above task in the same way. Firefox cannot fully access my NAS, and I have not figured out how to make it work. I've played around with Flatseal, but no dice. Instead, I need to use Files to download the files from my NAS to a local folder, and then I can use Firefox to upload to PD from that local folder. I'm guessing there is a better way, but I haven't figured it out yet.

EDIT: This thread motivated me to try and fix this issue. Installing Firefox using rpm-ostree worked. I expected it would, though I am still hoping to figure this out using the Flatpak version at some point. I also tried using Distrobox/Box Buddy to create a Fedora 40 box and install Firefox there. That version of Firefox couldn't even see my NAS at all (unlike the Flatpak which could see my NAS but couldn't upload files from the NAS to Proton). This was my first time ever using Distrobox. I thought it was super cool to see it in action and get a working Firefox, even though I couldn't use it to access my NAS as hoped.

  1. I would desperately like to use a screenshot tool with built-in annotations, but I haven't found a flatpak that works. As I understand, it might have something to do with flatpak combined with Wayland and/or my Nvidia GPU.

So while most things "just work," there are some problems. Planning to stick with it and keep learning. I do love the concept and I'm overall very happy with everything.

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

These seems to be related to flatpak, not immutability.

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I switched to silver blue after a bad update and my experience has been almost identical if not smoother than standard fedora

[–] Klingenrenner@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I really appreciate rarely seeing the message "update complete, please reboot now". I would consider myself on the tech savvy side though.

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[–] pulverizedcoccyx@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I used an immutable fedora on my surface pro 4, I wanted to shoot myself in the face every time I had to install anything. I'm good on that for the rest of my natural life.

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