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Hello all, it is with a heavy heart that I must admit that I have become the drama that I always sought to avoid for this server. In this case, I could easily let sleeping dogs lie, but I'm somewhat exhausted and I don't really see the point of continuing here if there isn't some semblance of justice or rational thought to be found. More to the point, if Lemmy continues to display outright hostility and toxicity towards Americans at every turn, there is virtually no chance that this platform will ever develop beyond its current fringe status.

Although this server is based in Canada, I think we probably have a good number of Americans, and also despite recent events I think Canadians and Americans are fairly similar and have historically gotten along quite well with one another. I'm curious if a more diverse array of people will find any value in my actions, or if I'm truly just shouting into the wind. Strap in, because this is gonna be a long one.

This all started yesterday when @DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com made a post to AskLemmy. The original post read as follows.

I responded here. I had indeed noticed the constant derisive comments regarding Americans, although I didn't agree with the assumption that such comments were made by Russian/Chinese agents, and stated as much.

In my view, the responses to both OP and myself in that thread constitute clear evidence that at least one of our assumptions was true. In response to being called out on their hateful behavior, a number of users proceeded to double down, attempting to gaslight myself and OP and even suggesting that we were actually the Russian spies 🕵️‍♂️

Several hours later, one of our users decided to make a post "exposing" my behavior on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Despite the fact that I hadn't utilized any moderator powers during this saga, he found my words to be offensive enough to post on said community. The post was eventually removed because it was unsuitable for the community, but not before I had replied in defense of myself. This was unfortunate, although understandable, because I felt that my response was something that Lemmy users could benefit from hearing.

I made this post because I want my fellow sh.itjust.works users to judge whether my actions and thoughts were reasonable, and I also want to expose this individual for what they are. My first option was !fediverselore@lemmy.ca, but it's not allowed to post drama that you're involved in. Also, I'm not really looking for the opinions of people who subscribe to drama communities on Lemmy, but rather the opinions of the average sh.itjust.works user. So here's the screenshot of the removed post.

Here's my reply.

It'll probably be easier reading if you go to my profile and/or his profile. Although the post was deleted, the comments should still appear in our profiles.

To summarize, this user bullied a brand new user into deleting their account, responding to an innocent, highly upvoted meme with this comment

He let’s me freely hang out at his nice place full of amenities so I can’t badmouth him

Lmfao, no, you can, you just like the taste of boot, and the benefits he gives you (that he only has because he exploits people like you) too much to.

Also, those last two points in the meme, as well as this being your only post on a new account strongly suggest that this is a troll, or at the very least, a really sad LARP, rather than observations made by someone who has ever spent any time at all with any actual rich people.

Two days later, he decided to call me out for mod abuse, despite the fact that I hadn't removed a single comment of his. Now he's decided to move over to lemmy.dbzer0.com, thank goodness.

But overall, aside from the specifics of this drama, I also want y'all to render judgment on whether or not Lemmy tends to exhibit a toxic attitude towards Americans. Notice that I said Americans, not America. I don't give a shit if people criticize and blatantly shit on America for the decisions that our government makes. But it's far too often that Lemmy users go beyond that line and decide to hurl personal insults towards Americans, often in completely non-political communities. I've always had thick skin and an open mind, so if I'm getting annoyed by it, my assumption is that most other Americans will find it intolerable. And although we don't need to be a majority American site by any means, the sheer numbers dictate that if Americans find this site intolerable, it will never achieve mainstream success.

And if I hear one more fucking person say that America only joined World War 2 after it was already over, or that we were cowards for not joining sooner, I swear to God I'ma start criticizing the metric system again 😂

EDIT:

Thanks for the replies, I'll try to be less of an arrogant prick going forward and in return I'd like people to reflect on my words from time to time. My primary motivation is making Lemmy better and having more diverse viewpoints, I wouldn't have called anyone out if I didn't feel that some of you are creating an environment that is self-destructive towards our goals in that regard. But maybe I'm overreacting, I would just ask you to put yourself in other people's shoes before making comments, and remember that we're all on the same team here, even the North American Scum

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[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Can we have new drama please?

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

I might post about the hexbear reaction to this post later. It was amusing to say the least. But I would post that to !meanwhileongrad, this has already been plenty of drama for the main community.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Overall, I think that any mod or admin should use another account to post personal takes. Use the moderator account only for meration and post any personal takes on a personal account.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

In general, I agree, but I'm concerned with the prevalence of vote manipulation and shithousing on this site, and I feel like my past track record on this account is one of the only ways for me to protect myself from the constant baseless accusations of being a Russian shill, being a right winger, etc.

I feel that someone needs to be able to counter the increasing tendency towards absolute ideological purity that is strangling this platform, and if people don't know me from a hole in the wall, it'll be that much easier to discredit me when I try to criticize the circlejerking that goes on here.

In other words, I'm a human being, and I have opinions, and I'm flawed. But that doesn't mean I can't or don't try my best to act objectively and in the best interests of the server when I'm performing my admin duties. That's reality, and hiding behind alt accounts just to pretend that I'm a pure paragon of justice on my admin account isn't really my style, and I don't really see how it would benefit anyone.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago

I personally mod using alts, to limit the reach of potential drama should I have controversial takes, or heated discussions with other users.

As you probably noticed, one of the element that made the drama blow up was you making derogatory comments using your admin account. Would this has been on a normal account, the impact would probably have been much lower.

Lemm.ee and Lemmy.zip usually get praised on their invisible admins. You see them post the updates about the servers from time to time, but that's it.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think its Europeans being jealous but instead that Lemmy attracts the kind of Users who are more anti western/capitalistic (and the US is literally the definition of capitalism) and also users being dickheads about it. Just because Americans have to live and participate in a system that's quite shit, that doesn't mean that they are directly responsible for it and I think that this is something a lot of people forget.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

That’s runaway capitalism, sir.

[–] UniversalMonk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Dude, you rock. Don't even bow down to the negs that you are getting. You legit stood up for me even though you don't agree with me. That's an admirable, and increasingly rare, trait.

I'm American, and apparently very annoying to some, so I get my fair shair of hate. But at least when it's thrown my way, I get that some people think I'm a dick.

But you have always been a straight up, no bullshit kind of guy. Honestly we need more admins like you.

You're one of the reason that this instance is the best instance on Lemmy.

I look at a lot of your measured responses and always tell myself that I should respond to people that way. But I never do, cuz I also devolve and always end up saying shit like, "You keep crying. I'll keep posting. Please block me if you don't like me." lmao

Stay strong, brother!

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 12 hours ago

I look at a lot of your measured responses and always tell myself that I should respond to people that way. But I never do, cuz I also devolve and always end up saying shit like, “You keep crying. I’ll keep posting. Please block me if you don’t like me.” lmao

Quoting this for posterity.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I can't think of anything more american than complaining about anti-american bias while accusing everyone else of just being jealous

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 11 points 22 hours ago

Thank God, they bought it - Russian agent imaqtpie

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

That's a shame, OP, you always seem like a pretty collected and calm voice, it's disappointing to hear you're a dang dirty fed/commie/fascist/Russian/Chinese/Soros/Thiel agent.

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[–] stormdelay@sh.itjust.works 92 points 2 days ago (23 children)

While you are probably correct that criticism of the USA (and of its citizens) pops up too often in unrelated topics, I think that you are basically just discovering what it is to not be the ultra dominant demographics on a platform. It doesn't mean it's right or anything, everyone should strive to make Lemmy a welcoming place, but it's certainly going to take work on both sides. That said, I would like you to re-read some of what you wrote:

and their obvious jealousy and insecurity regarding Americans

For one thing, my command of the English language rules that out, which isn't something I can say about many of you.

America controls the world, and Europeans are salty about it. I didn’t even realize how salty until I started using Lemmy

I swear to God I'ma start criticizing the metric system again

The amount of condescension dripping from your comments is frankly off the chart, and you should maybe take a minute to ponder whether you are actually behaving as you preach, rather than just being in your own American circlejerk, as you might have called it had the shoe been on the other foot.

In any way, being an admin/mod is a thankless task, so I for one appreciate you for doing that, and maybe everyone can learn a bit from sharing a community.

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