I haven't seen anyone encouraging or even so much as hinting that a copycat should target police or courts. Feels like something made up to try to drive a wedge between the bipartisan support by splintering off "back the blue" type of people.
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CIS assessed it "highly likely that threats will continue to target [law enforcement] and other public offices participating in Mangione's case."
Translation: South Park they're coming right for us, FIRE
It worked for Rittenhouse 🫥
ACAB
It's bastards, all the way up. Never forget.
I think we should crowdfund an art project. Specifically, just to send a message, we should erect a big bronze statue of Luigi Mangione. Put it on a main road close to UHC's headquarters in Minnesota. Make the bastards drive right past the thing every day on the way to work.
Fastest "unfortunate accident" a piece of public art'd ever experience, just watch.
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Complete bullshit obviously...
But the fact they're worried about it says A LOT about how they view themselves compared to a piece of shit responsible for millions of deaths from denied healthcare.
I keep running through the difference between the reaction to this vs elementary school kids dying to gun violence. It's one CEO and everything in the media has galvanized to unite around a singular message of horrible violence. Hundreds of children have died and nothing changed. It's fucking infuriating.
Let's compare:
Osama Bin Ladin/Brian Robert Thompson
Number killed by own hands: 0/0
Number killed through orders to underlings: ~3,000/~51,000
Reason for killings: religious and geopolitical reasons/profit motive
Cause of death: execution by gunshot/execution by gunshot
Date of trial for killings: N/A / N/A
Date of issue of death sentence for killings: N/A / N/A
Response to killing: celebration by US president on national TV, celebration by commoners and elites / celebration by commoners, condemnation by elite.
Consequence to assassins for extra-judicial slaying: national praise / indicted for 2nd degree murder
Race and class: weird Arab guy in traditional garb / rich white man in a a suit
Where does the 51,000 figure come from?
About 68,000 Americans die each year from improper denials of necessary care. With UHC's share of the private health insurance market and higher than average denial of claims, a conservative figure is 40 UHC customers per day dying from denial of care. Brian Robert Thompson served as the CEO of UHC for approximately 3.5 years. That comes to about 51,000 people dead at the hands of Brian Robert Thompson.
Is it fair to pin all of UHC's murders on one man? Maybe not. But he gleefully took credit for the record profits that came from UHC's soaring denial rates. He earned an obscene salary and bonuses from the record profits that those deaths produced. He took credit for all the consequences of these deaths; it is entirely reasonable to hold him morally culpable for them.
Make no mistake. Brian Robert Thompson killed approximately 51,000 people, or about 17 times as many people as Osama Bin Ladin. Brian Robert Thompson suffered for seconds. Osama Bin Ladin's victims suffered for about an hour. Brian Robert Thompson's victims suffered for months to years. And this is just deaths, not those who suffered injury, debilitation, or bankruptcy at Brian Robert Thompson's hands.
Thank you. I have been very interested in a number of attributable deaths, and the comparison is an added bonus
I would say "my pleasure," but this brings me none. It's not a perfect estimate, but it is a reasonable first order one. The real number is likely somewhere between 30k and 70k. But really, at this scale, the numbers lose all meaning.
Luigi Mangione did not have the right to serve as Thompon's one man judge, jury, and executioner. But make no mistake, according to all available evidence, Brian Robert Thompson was a mass murderer an order of magnitude worse than Osama Bin Ladin. When he hit the pavement on that New York morning, he did not stop falling. He kept falling, and falling, and falling. Right into the Pit of Hell itself. If there is a Hell behind this mortal realm, he is almost certainly burning there right now.
I like your way of thinking
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Many thanks for bringing to light these facts and comparisons.
Thanks for the response. Truly despicable the state of medical insurance.
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Oh, lol.....they think people are only going to target other healthcare CEO's? That's fucking adorable.
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Oh come off it already.
Yeah we all agree shooting people is wrong.
But just about everyone in the general public more or less agrees Thompson had it coming. We've all dealt with scummy insurance companies.
Playing up the threat at this point seems like an obvious psyop. And it's not even being done well.
That I've seen, nobody, anywhere, at all, has suggested targeting police or courts. This has been solely framed as a class war between the rank and file citizens of the nation and a very small number (10-25) of CEOs whose companies destroy lives every day. There is no anger with cops or the courts.
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God, the police are so fucking coddled. "This shit that has nothing to do with police? A threat to police." Anytbing to direct more funding to these fucking babies.
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The media don't know how to deal with people not caring that the CEO of a parasitic company is dead, so now they resort to fear mongering?
Just because people are not showing outpourings of grief for the death of a CEO doesn't mean people are endorsing violence. Luigi Mangione is in custody and will likely go to prison; being sympathetic to his story does not mean endorsing his behaviour. This is a complex and multifaceted story and people are allowed complex and multifaceted responses.
Welp, its officially in. Anyone who sympathizes with Luigi is officially deemed a terrorist.
Soon, some senator will announce that he/she has a list of suspected ~~communists~~ terrorists who sympathize with Luigi Mangione. This will the know as the ~~Red Scare~~ Green Scare. Mentioning the term "Green Mario" would be a death sentence.
Super Mario Bros will be deemed as terrorist propaganda, and any related media would be confiscated. There would be no-knock searches carried out across the nation, many will be shot in the process.
If you are reading this, your are already on their list. If you are reading this, you are the resistance...
That doesn't leave many people in the "not terrorist" category.
Brought to you by the "We're all Domestic Terrorists!" party
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the police have a training traveling school called Killology and refer to themselves as "killologist."
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In Altoona, Pennsylvania, where Mangione was captured on Monday, local police told ABC News they also faced threats and negative blowback for arresting the suspect, as did the McDonald's where he was arrested.
CIS assessed it "highly likely that threats will continue to target [law enforcement] and other public offices participating in Mangione's case."
This is just sloppy reporting. CIS says cops and other officials will receive more threats, not that they will be in more danger. But it's 2024 and ABC is a major news outlet that depends on keeping the government and (especially) His Majesty happy to keep their ota broadcast license.
This reeks of propaganda trying to sway the "blue liners" away from support for the coming class war. It makes sense. The "cop feelings > children lives" set are violently stupid and (usually) well armed.
Gotta give it to corpo news and pigs: They got class conscience.
Cops think they're rich now? Or that their masters will do anything other than use them as grunts in the class war? Cops are working class just like most people, they're just class traitors.
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"Overwhelming bipartisan support for the attack" across social media "has resulted in several narratives encouraging similar violent activities directed at other healthcare executive teams,"
This assessment has got it all wrong. People don't want further acts of violence against healthcare executive teams. Or, I should say, not just healthcare executive teams. That thinking is far too narrow.
That's why they're all trying to reframe this story so hard. They're worried a sentiment like this will wake people up to how many other executives are sociopathic murderers.
Ideally, there would be no more health insurance execs to be mad at, because the exploitative health insurance industry would be abolished. That's what literally everyone except the health insurance execs and investors want.
Is Hans finally figuring out that he might be the baddie...?
Not if they think people will target police and courts, rather than other CEOs. It sounds like they're missing the point.
next they are goin to say anyone that supports luigi is a terrorist
I'm surprised they haven't already. They have said things like calling this extremism etc.
Unfortunately, that may backfire worse than they think it will. The moment they identify supporters of what he did as terrorists, then a lot more people suddenly become immune to further propaganda towards terrorism.
The smart thing for them would have been to shut up about it.
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Why would I-uh-they... target police?
Police didn't deny no claims.
Heard of a few people claiming to the police they couldn't breathe
Oh gosh, wouldn't that be just the worst thing.
Shooting up courts and cops would accomplish very little. They're, well, made for that kind of opposition. The reason Mangione's attack has been so high-profile was because he picked a high-profile target that is NOT made for that kind of opposition. If he'd killed a cop or a judge, it'd've maybe caught an eye or two on the national news before fading away, and accomplished nothing besides. Anyone hauling off and killing a cop or a judge as an attempted copycat is just wasting their time, and their lives most like.
Just a bloodless observation, of course.
Hell yes. More please!