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Nvidia CEO Foresees AI Competing with Human Intelligence in Five Years::Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang predicts that AI will compete with human intelligence in the next five years, amidst a significant business boom for Nvidia and its AI advancements.

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[–] nature_man@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Not gonna happen, what everyone is calling "AI" isn't even actually AI, its just a type of predictive text

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

A lot of work is already just generating boring text and images

Not to mention the fact that a lot of people don't function on a deeper level than that in they daily lives

[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Did you pay attention to human “intelligence” lately? I think we are already there.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well yes, AI as we know it. What he's saying that there's reason to believe certain advancements can be made that would put AI in a place capable of competing with human intelligence.

AI as we know it now is not what he's referring to.

Edit: Also, logically, if we keep things centered on strict circumstances (like performing repetitive tasks) then there are absolutely people who exist that an AI could outperform. That is a simple reality of having limiting disabilities.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

The only thing Jensen sees is him milking the market.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

“AI” is just a complex language model. It understands absolutely nothing. He is dead wrong and there is plenty of proof out there to prove him wrong.

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He is the manufacturer of the hardware LLMs are trained on, he’ll say anything that will increase sales.

[–] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That's what I was thinking. I foresee him retiring on fat stacks of cash in 5 years, that he made by pumping up the stock price with claims he won't have to worry about fulfilling

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

"Don't be a prospector, be the person selling goods to prospectors."

~ paraphrase of an idea we've all likely heard

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Although you are correct in your assertions about AI you forget how stupid people are. He may turn out to be right but not for the reasons he thinks he is.

[–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, he isn't saying it to us, but folks who would invest in the company due to their majority position in the processor space powering the current LLM's.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, of course. Well done.

[–] burliman@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He could be dead wrong but not because some internet comment says so. Maybe cite the proof you speak of…

[–] gens@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe Huang should.

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[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I have been saying, that automation should be taxed for years now, and people hate it. The poem "First they came ..." comes to mind.

[–] eltrain123@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Tax the business (on revenue or profit) at a high enough rate it hurts, then give tax breaks to incentivize “fully employed workers with benefits meeting ‘X’ minimums”….

Use automation if it is the correct answer for productivity or solving a given problem but you still have to kick in for the society you want to live in. Businesses shouldn’t get to harvest all of the value out of a society without contributing. Providing jobs was the old mechanism… now it’s evolving.

If they offshore hq to dodge taxation, tax the local product or service at a commensurate rate. If you want access to our marketplace, you chip in, too. That should go for every country on the planet.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying tax them to stop it, but to stop wealth inequality.

Here we tax pollution, but companies still pollute. But the government can use the tax money to try and offset the pollution.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If no one has a job, there are no customers.

Rational self-interest can only operate alone for so long. Then all the rules change, one way or another.

[–] match@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Taxed? Fuck that. Any AI with human intelligence deserves at least minimum wage.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago

But automation encompasses more than just AI with human intelligence. For the other cases, it should be taxed and the money used to fund more social nets.

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[–] Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How would it get measured?
Would should automation be disincentivized?

[–] query@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just tax revenue and wealth.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

I spent a little while thinking about this earlier in the year, I had the idea formed more cogently at time but I'll try and put it as best as I remember. Income tax can kind of be restated as a tax on a corporation as a function of the value an individual provides to the company.

This isn't perfect but, I'm a PAYE employee, so the income tax I pay is done so at source. I don't ever see that money. In real terms it makes little difference to me whether I pay zero income tax and the company reduces my salary but pays a fee to the government for the privilege of employing me. The tax rates don't change hugely over time and I'm not on the margins of a tax band, so this mostly holds true for me. My salary and the tax band that puts me in are a proxy for the value I provide to the company (under the assumption I make net positive money for the company).

I feel like an explicit change to codify this is required to allow for the proper taxation of companies undergoing a shift to automation, otherwise it's too easy to domicile profits/wealth elsewhere (as it stands). Even thinking about this now, for knowledge work, how do you tax a company in Germany when the processing is happening on a privacy compliant server in Somalia? Even more stringent data protection and localisation laws? Can your models cross borders? Does that lead to multi-tier AI based on the capabilities of underlying populations and availability of training data?

Generally I'm pro-humans not having to grind to live and I generally see AI/automation as a boon for this - alongside proper taxation and redistribution of wealth, but I'm not sure I've ever seen any good explanation of how the nitty gritty of this functions in the real world.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Look around the world. In poor countries, productivity is low. There are not many machines. People do a lot of manual labor. Rich countries have lots of automation.

If you want to live in a country with less automation, moving is an option. Migrating from a rich to a poor country is much easier than vice versa. But if that looks unappealing, then taxing automation should also be unappealing.

Working less isn't horrible. The OECD estimates that an average employee in the USA works 1811 hours per year. In Germany, it is only 1341, You can always volunteer in a non-profit if you feel you don't have enough to do. There's nothing to be afraid of. I don't even know why or on what Americans work so much. It feels like they spend half the office day on social media, complaining that they can't afford things.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Automation wont stop because of taxes... There needs to be money, for the people that loses jobs to automation. The products wont get cheaper with more automation.

I wouldn't want to move to a third world country like america, where the low taxes that are paid by the little guy, are used to help the big guy. I'm fine living in a country, where my relatively high taxes can make the country even better.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Imagine you want to produce something. Maybe you want to bake a couple 10,000 breads over the next few years. Whatever. You could hire 50 guys and buy some simple tools, or you could hire 5 guys and buy some advanced machinery. What do you do?

The typical business will pick the cheaper option. It will replace as much labor with machines as is cost-effective. A few businesses will make a thing out of being inefficient and expensive, like how Rolls-Royce cars are handmade.

If you tax automation, you make the machines more expensive. So, when someone has the choice between using machines or using labor, then it will be labor more often. So, you're right: It won't stop automation. You will just have less of it. Productivity will be lower. The country will be always be poorer than without such a tax.

People in such a country will either have to work more hours for the extra labor needed or do with less.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because knowledge work is never ending. There's always more to do.

As an American, I've worked with lots of my European counterparts over the years, and trying to get things done can be downright painful.

We're across multiple time zones, and Europeans refuse to be on a call that isn't in their typical work hours.

Kind of problematic when there's no one "time" where a Central Time American can be on a call during his work hours while a Brit, German, and an Estonian do to.

Multiple people will have to be flexible here, and assuredly it won't be our Western Europe peers.

There are things like change windows, to reduce risk of downtime for users. Those are established by when the users utilize the resources being changed. Sometimes that means I work a normal day, and get back on things at midnight or 2am to make a change and validate it. It needs to be done then, it's important, it's been entered into a massive scheduling system which tracks resources: subcontractor time, staff time, access to things like VM hosts to ensure our change doesn't conflict with other changes to shared hosts/network/power, etc. Many internal and external organizations can be involved in changes, the external generally incur additional cost, so we try to combine as many changes as possible to minimize that cost.

This is just one small example of the coordination involved in herding the cats of large infrastructure.

SMB is much easier, far fewer people and system impacts, practically no change management, so if something happens days later, tracing it back to those changes can be difficult or impossible. It's more wild-west, with knowledge retained in a small set of admins. Even there it can take many conversations between local power, remote power, subcontractors, vendors, telco, cloud providers, etc to manage changes. These can all be geographically disparate (I have a friend with a client with operations in CA, CO, NM, WV, MO). That's 3 time zones, with vendors, subcontractors, and contracts in all of them, under varying legal jurisdictions and regulatory domains. Something as simple as updating/replacing a remote monitor cell router can take months of conversations. Without the upgrade, they're in violation of state and federal regulations, with fines that can be $10k/day or more.

Just because you have no idea what other people do, doesn't make it any less important or valuable. Any boss is very appreciative when you stay on a call "past 5" to help prevent being fined like that. (I've been on calls that lasted 24hrs+, over Thanksgiving).

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I just received this 6 day old post as new. I guess that's due to the issues with federation.

I'm not really sure what you are going for here. Are you saying that Americans need to work more hours to make up for the slack of Europeans?

[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is that because AI is getting smarter, or because humans are getting dumber?

[–] match@pawb.social 12 points 1 year ago

"I have created a pretrained transformer LLM statistically indistinguishable from your grandpa posting on Facebook"

[–] kjenney@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

AI doesn't have to compete. It just has to do what computers do best: repetitive tasks.

[–] LinyosT@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Gee I wonder why the bloke with a very vested interest in seeing AI take off would make claims that AI will be super duper good you guys in the near future.

[–] Bye@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good, can we have one that’s 100 times smarter and just runs the government benevolently? I’m really sick of civic responsibility

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

CEO of company creating AI overhypes AI. Film at eleven.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In Jensen's wet dreams