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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Yes, of course

I don't want to live in a world of vigilantes, we don't want Batman, we don't want to need batman either

So having said that, CEO's should also be jailed for deaths they cause. If you cause a dozen deaths through purposeful decisions, you usually wouid get the chair so for this particular CEO would need a LOT of chairs to kill him a thousand times.

It's time to stop treating killings by man as a heavy crime and killings by a company as a misdemeanor

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on the justice system and if I respect it. If the justice system isn't prosecuting the people responsible for deaths nation wide due to lack of prosecution, it cannot be respected. Specially given the state of the Supreme Court and the government.

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago
[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Nope.

but morality...

The moral thing happened, imo.

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

No.

Failing that, jury nullification is always an option - jurors have the right to return a not guilty verdict even if a defendant is clearly guilty.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

No. He did a heroic act and should not be punished.

[–] Dhrystone@infosec.pub 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yes.

The three Change Healthcare letters I got in the mail informing me of a gigantic data breach compromising my health information, SSN and more tell me that other people also need to be prosecuted.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I'll buck the trend here.

Yes, I want him prosecuted. I want every single piece of evidence the cops have put out in public, and I want the public to see exactly how they traced him and caught him. I want people to see just how insidious the surveillance state is, and I want them to understand what kind of lengths they'll need to go to in order to avoid getting caught the next time.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting take, but on the other hand I suspect that nothing new would be learned. afaik their main forensics techniques aren't really a mystery, there are thousands of cases to learn from.

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[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I recall seeing videos posted to Reddit and other social media from a number of years ago. An alleged child rapist (murderer?) was handcuffed and being escorted through the airport by police, with TV camera crews following along. The father of the victim was waiting at a bank of pay phones, as if he was using one. As the group walked by, the father walked towards them, shot and killed the man, and immediately surrendered to the police.

Although it seemed like a clear cut case of premeditated murder I recall he got off with a very minimal sentence. If this guy is caught and tried then I really hope for a similar outcome.

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yes of course he needs to be prosecuted.

I get that people hate insurance companies but at the end of the day this was a brutal and cold blooded murder.

As unhappy as we may be at the state of the world, the last thing anyone should want is for things to be determined by who has the gun and is willing to shoot.

Having said that though, maybe things are getting beyond the point of no return. Democracy in the US seems to be a joke, and the billionaire class have unfettered power. I worry we're on trajectory towards violent revolution.

The ambivelence and even open celebration of a shocking violent murder is a warning sign of how bad things are right now. Across the democratic world countries are devided and in flux because the political class is not listening to voters and in hoc to the billionaires.

Trump in the US will be a mess. But France and Germany are also in political flux. What we are lacking globally at the moment is an outlet for this mess or a solution. People seem to be divided and unable to coalesce around a solution to the problems. I worry that means more chaos and ultimately violemce to come.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Assuming they catch him, it's part of the process.

No matter how you cut it, no matter how much you agree with how actions, and whatever reason he may have had, murder isn't something that can be dismissed when it is an act of its own. It has to be prosecuted.

Now, you might notice that italics. When murder is done as part of war, it isn't murder any more, it's an enemy casualty, and isn't typically going to be prosecuted as murder.

If what the guy did is part of a bigger movement, and that movement ends up with enough changes, it might be treated as no different than a soldier shooting a target on a battlefield. I'm not saying there isn't a difference, I'm saying that if power shifts enough, the country changes enough, a killer becomes a hero.

If that's what it turns out to be, trying to prosecute it as murder would be a joke, a waste of time, so I wouldn't want it to happen.

But if it's just one dude grinding his own path for himself? Well, if it isn't prosecuted, it's as much a failure of the system as every decision the shitty CEO made and wasn't fired for. Two wrongs don't make a right on that scale. Tbh, a thousand wrongs for a good reason don't make a right, it just makes the problem a different scale, with different priorities.

The only difference between an insurrection and a revolution is success, in other words.

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 5 points 2 weeks ago

I want his story to be told then have a jury nullify the case. But I don't see how any of that will happen.

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Actions have consequences. It's important we have precedents that the world is just

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[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Of course, it's still murder, that's why there is a judiciary. But, the system should also be better, and not allow people to be cheated out of their lives by profiteering goblins.

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