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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Jury nullification. If you're called for jury duty, DO NOT LET THEM KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS WHEN INTERVIEWING.

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[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, but only if there is an actual jury of his peers to pass judgement on him.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't ally myself with some random anon, especially not one with a history of violence, but I'm also not actively seeking his arrest. He's the cops' problem and I'm not helping.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

From a rule of law perspective the shooter needs to be punished.

But considering the amount of suffering that CEO and other senior leaders at that company have inflicted on innocent sick people, there's a big fat dose of karma that goes with this incident, . And I wouldn't throw the book at the shooter (although you know they will).

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[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. Jury nullification is my right.

[–] Bread@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

I am under the belief that there was no murder and he had a preexisting condition of lead poisoning. As such, we unfortunately do not cover these kinds of conditions in our penal system and his claim must be denied.

[–] BJHanssen@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If he gets caught (hope he doesn’t), I hope he gets prosecuted, pleads self defense, and wins.

Because let’s be honest, this is 100% a case of community self defense.

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[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 weeks ago

Nah he was defending himself against highway robbery.

[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If I was in the jury I could be persuaded to push for jury nullification.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

To maybe help your pessimistic side:

Even when the murderer gets convicted, that CEO will still remain dead.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If they ever set up a GoFundMe to set up a memorial statue of the killer, just give a shout.

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, but I hope someone makes him a cool cape or something of the sorts.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

With "The Adjuster" embroidered across the back

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

If he's found, the jury should nullify. It's their right as US citizens.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say it will be nearly impossible to get an objective jury that also represents the defendants peers.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Prosecution is required since otherwise it would set a precedent for revenge killings, but holy shit even serial killers did less harm than this one person

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes, of course. Then face a jury. And hopefully go free via jury nullification.

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[–] ButtKiss@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago
[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How do we get him to do it again?

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. He murdered someone. Will I curl up in a ball and cry for hours if he's never caught? Not so much.

[–] davidfield@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

For the social agreement society has, it's irrelevant if you think this person is a hero or a villain, they need to be tried by a jury of their peers in a court of law.

If they are not, then the social agreement that we don't go around murdering people, no matter the intent changes and life becomes very difficult.

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[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago

When we prosecute all the avoidable deaths by Insurance Companies in pursuit of greed.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago

What murderer? He fell on lead because he was high on prescription drugs.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Or something

The ceo was a bad dude,

But murdering people isn’t cool.

Trump said he could murder a guy on Fifth Avenue,

Maybe this guy can murder a guy on Sixth Avenue.

🤷‍♂️

Edit: if he is some crazy cereal killer then I guess he has to get away with it the first time?

[–] Vivendi@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely NOT LOL

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The repeated mention of "jury nullification" here is a cop-out.

Jury nullification is essentially an admission that the law itself is conditionally unjust and the popular belief is that it should be ignored this time, nullified. So why pretend the legal system is always valid in the first place? I do not see the legal system as fair or representative of the people; if it was, this assassination wouldn't have ever happened. The laws are made by politicians and the politicians represent the owner class, those with enough money to purchase politics.

If you don't want to see the assassin prosecuted, if you too "didn't see anything", then why insist "murder is murder" when you clearly think this one doesn't deserve equal treatment? It's utopian idealism, the kind of rule that holds true in an ignorant vacuum experiment but not in this unfair rigged game of a world.

The appropriate sentence for this crime is: "Keep up the important work."

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago

In most circumstances, I absolutely would not encourage vigilantism.

Millions of people effectively have no choice in their health care.

They are seeing friends and family die or become destitute because these companies refuse to give them the care they're paying for.

These companies own the government, and they indirectly write the laws.

They are making the decisions to make money rather than do their jobs and provide healthcare. They are literally taking our money and buying yachts and property instead of just paying for medical procedures and medication.

If this is what it takes for that all to change, I see no reason to make a martyr of him. It's the corporations that need to change, not the guy forcing them to.

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