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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

I don’t think it’s bad to profit from the US economy even though some of those profits would end up being by very evil means. At least in that way, you don’t really have a choice as the economy is very interconnected.

But in this scenario you do have a choice, there are plenty of ways to invest and make money without going out of your way to be extra evil.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I would also ask yourself if this is beneficial at all.

Look at their historical prices. Investors have already bought into this.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Unless you got hundreds of thousands in assets to invest, you are only gambling on the suffering and slavery.

[–] ooli@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Sorry about the ugly comment you are receiving. Seems people on lemmy love to enforce the godwin's law.

My opinion: be careful, all the anti immigration rhetoric is just ineffective gesticulation (like with the wall). A lot of nothing to please the racist population... and scare the illegal workers so they accept slave wage, thus enriching the owners of hotels, farms, restaurants.. etc.

The prison wont gain much , or at least not as much as some traditional business

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I say who the fuck cares what some Internet randos think. I bet you ten shares that more than a handful of the people taking about ethical conundrum didn't even vote this past election.

The only thing that matters is can you live with it? If you can, go for it and make a buck working within the confines of Americans values because if you don't, someone else will.

I'll tell you that I don't regret buying into the reddit IPO despite its various ethical scandals and going forward here my family and future matters more at this point than anything the average American says since they voted or say on their asses and literally didn't vote for all of this.

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 2 weeks ago

The world won't be any better if you don't. The only difference is what you'd feel about it yourself.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

If you think you see an opportunity go ahead and invest and don’t feel ashamed. Many of the Hispanic immigrant communities that will adversely be affected by mass deportation had high levels of Trump support.

I say fuck it and make a buck. May those who voted for Trump get exactly what they voted for.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think so - the stock market is extremely detached from fundraising in the modern world and if that company decided to fundraise it'll mostly do so on the back of mutual funds and uni endowments.

I personally find divestment is a pretty ineffective personal action in terms of individuals.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You are benefitting from incarceration and forced labor

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The stock market is so detached from reality that the impact you're having is nearly nil. You're much more directly supporting forced labor and incarceration when you buy a t-shirt, Chinese garlic, register your car, eat pretty much any fast food, enjoy chocolate, or do literally anything connected to Walmart.

My point in the comment above is that Divestment (outside of retail investment) has almost no impact. If you live in America you're already evil as fuck and profiting from the misery of millions. The stocks you own are some of the least evil shit you're doing.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If you live in America you're already evil as fuck and profiting from the misery of millions.

Yeah

Regardless this is something you can very easily not do. I can't not pay my taxes, eat, drink, and consume energy very easily but I can very easily not profit off prison labor in this way.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think that's a fair statement and if you find that line a reasonable one to draw I support you drawing it. Objectively, though, I think the harm we cause through consuming goods manufactured through forced labor is much more impactful.

[–] Dsklnsadog@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The question of morality in investments is not absolute; it depends on how one frames responsibility and agency.

Markets are amoral tools. Financial markets operate independently of moral judgments. When individuals invest in an industry, they are not necessarily endorsing its practices but recognizing an opportunity within existing systems. One can argue that targeting an investment does not equate to creating or exacerbating the problems within that industry.

The existence of private prisons and deportation schemes reflects systemic issues, not individual investors. Policies and demand for incarceration stem from government choices and public sentiment. As such, targeting investors as "bad people" shifts focus away from the policymakers and institutions enabling these systems.

Some may justify these investments pragmatically: by securing financial stability, individuals can later support progressive causes, donate to charities, or fund organizations fighting for systemic change. For example, an investor might use the returns to support immigrant advocacy groups or lobby for prison reform.

There is algo "Separation of Investment and Values". Not every decision must align with one’s ideological framework. People often compartmentalize their personal lives from their professional or financial strategies. A leftist could rationally engage in capitalism as a survival mechanism within an inescapable capitalist framework while still advocating for systemic change.

Many industries—tech, energy, or agriculture—have problematic practices, from exploitative labor to environmental harm. Singling out private prisons overlooks the broader complexity of investing in any sector. Most portfolios inadvertently include industries with ethical concerns, such as fossil fuels or fast fashion.

Defending this investment as not inherently immoral hinges on the premise that financial actions alone do not define someone’s character. Morality lies in how individuals balance their actions, mitigate harm, and contribute positively to society. However, ethical investments often require introspection and alignment with long-term values. While investing in private prison contractors can be defended on pragmatic or systemic grounds, it’s worth questioning whether the financial gain outweighs the potential ethical compromise.

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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think you'd be awfully surprised calling yourself "as left as they come" on here. There are some people who are so far out in left field that they come back around on the right again. Lemmy is full of anarcho-communists and people who believe that ownership of property is akin to murder.

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There are some people who are so far out in left field that they come back around on the right again.

Hi there! Did you know that horseshoe theory is complete and utter bullshit? A quick perusal of even Wikipedia will quickly inform the uninformed.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You should read your own suggestion there bub. It merely says there are proponents and critics of the theory and that actual research on the metaphor is sparse. Sorry to get your panties in a twist.

I've seen the "tolerant left" suggest calling ICE on latinos who supported Donald Trump in order to get them or their family members deported as some sort of revenge. If that's not a fine example of horseshoe theory, I don't know what is.

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Another example would be TERFs

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