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Summary

Israeli settlers in the West Bank, emboldened by Trump’s return and a far-right Israeli government, are pushing for formal sovereignty over the territory.

Settlement activity has surged to record levels under Prime Minister Netanyahu, with nearly 6,000 acres designated as state land in 2024 and dozens of new outposts established.

While settlers see this as fulfilling Biblical claims, Palestinians view it as erasing hopes for a future state.

Critics warn annexation could jeopardize regional stability and U.S.-brokered normalization efforts, such as those with Saudi Arabia.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

A whole lot of coping in this thread by people who were previously doing a lot of work trying to get Trump elected...

"Nuh uh, Netanyahu said this before and he was going to do it anyway!"

I would say that I worry about their mental health, but fuck them.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The smug liberal leans back in his chair.

"That will show them for not voting properly. If only they had voted. I did my one and only civic duty of voting, and it was for the less bad candidate. They're too busy marching and protesting and organizing to see that the only thing we can all do is vote. If only they voted properly."

[–] Tarzan9192@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's a fact that Trump will hurt their cause more than Kamala. Protest all you want. But also vote for whatever may help your cause. I don't understand why people don't understand this.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

While true, I understand why some people choose not to vote or vote third-party. It's like the trolley problem, and genocide is a pretty damn good thing to care about, especially when it's people you identify with getting genocided.

My point was that if liberals joined the left in direct action even outside of elections then our choices would be better in the first place. Voting is the least you can do, and for most rabid Lemmy liberals that go around punching left constantly it's THE ONLY THING they do.

If they joined the left, we'd all be punching back together. Instead they say "it's just a little genocide, the other guy is worse, just hold your nose and vote instead of protesting and taking direct political action so we can all go back to doing nothing for 4 more years. You are the problem for being politically engaged out of the voting booth."

[–] Tarzan9192@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Every step in the right direction is better than taking no steps at all (or worse, taking steps backwards). In this particular instance, and certainty throughout our nation's history, voting for a third party in a race with so much at stake, mathematically will help out one particular candidate over another. This is because USA uses a very flawed system of "first past the post" voting. In this instance, Trump obviously benefitted. Voting is taking direct political action. It's not the only form, but it is arguably the most important form of direct political action in this country. It is the way we make lasting and effective change in this country. You can't just force change all at once. You gotta put in the work.

Edit: I'd also add that I am very much in favor of reforming our voting system. But it must come through the system we currently have. The alternative is violence and chaos, which I am not in favor of.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 hours ago

A general strike would stop project 2025 in its tracks

This is from June 2020.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.

This is from July 2023.

Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.

Here's an entire wiki page about all they've been doing in the West Bank since 1967.

If you think this is new and is only happening because of Trump, you haven't been paying attention and are falling for propaganda.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Yes I'm sure the 4 settlers Biden sanctioned for 3 weeks, definitely threw a wrench into Israel's plan of overtaking the west bank.

It'll totally be because Trump takes office and not because settlers didn't just get 14 months of free land grabbing with zero repercussions on top of their yearly land stealing antics ever since Israel's inception.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

Cool, so we can finally dispose the myth of Israel being a democracy, get over chasing the chimera of a two state solution, and crystallize the struggle to the simple, unambiguous goal of ending Jewish supremacy and the apartheid and establishing a democratic republic with equality and rights for everyone from the river to the sea. Cool.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We did it, Patrick! We saved Palestine!

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yay, no more genocide! I knew both sides were the same.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Technically, a successful genocide stops. If the goal was specifically that the genocide would end more quickly, then I suppose they got what they wanted.

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[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Good thing we didn't vote for those democratic genocidists

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“I don’t want basic Genocide, I want to evolve to stage 2 Genocidonite”

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The "a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide" people were literally saying before the election that Palestinian genocide cannot get worse because genocide is genocide.

So I guess this isn't worse?

[–] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago (12 children)

This is from June 2020.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.

This is from July 2023.

Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank

A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.

Here's an entire wiki page about all they've been doing in the West Bank since 1967.

This is nothing new, it's just a next step that would have been taken regardless.

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

i don't understand that crowd at all. how do you look at kamala's promise to stay the course, and donald trumps promise to send even more aid, and not understand it is possible to send more. there is not a ceiling to more. our military industrial complexeis very capable of delivering more.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

and donald trumps promise to send even more aid

"Aid"? Why frame it as Trump promising "aid" like it's a positive? To be clear, the "aid" you're referring to here, is weapons and munitions being used to murder civilians.

Really weird way to frame it.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 hours ago

i don't think it's positive. i think it's horrible. we're assisting in mass torture. but i don't have a better synonym to insert there. i'm open to a better word because words matter

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Instead of genocide, we now have genocide 2: Electric Boogaloo

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[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Revive" suggests that this goal was ever dead. Israel has been progressively seizing Palestinian land in the West Bank for half a century.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

they're communicating something about their timeframe… they're announcing they're about to accelerate again…

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This thread is full of people who are clearly struggling with the consequences of their actions (their vote, and pushing a false narrative that Harris would be just as bad), and they are coming up with all sorts of creative ways to absolve themselves and relieve their guilt.

It seems like many have settled on "genocide can't get worse, it can only speed up or slow down, but the end result is the same" without realizing that the distinction is meaningless. A genocide speeding up is the genocide getting worse.

Bad news for those people: it's just going to get so much worse.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 0 points 7 hours ago

it's astounding the number of people who don't understand the scope of our terrifying military power. any amount of killing worldwide can be made worse. it's extremely easy to imagine if you bother to try. but a stunning number of young people seemingly don't know how bad things can be. and i've said this a few times, but all the people i'm out in the streets protesting these awful things with are people who voted. where the fuck are these people whose morals wouldn't allow themselves to vote for a candidate supporting genocide? why aren't they helping us, the people fighting against this? is it that their morals only exist when it's convenient for them, when it doesn't endanger their comfort?

could it possibly be they're more complicit in genocide than they think but refuse to examine the truth of their actions?

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Revive? When was it dead exactly? They seemed to be going Full Tilt for the last couple years. Nothing was stopping them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago

I think we'll all find out exactly what they mean in a couple months.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The “I did this” sticker is getting pretty wide what with Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, Xi, and the American voter all on it.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Israeli settlers never killed the idea.

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