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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 2 points 45 minutes ago

Yes. Go buy a new computer.

Then give me your old computer so I can put linux on it and distribute it for free to students and immigrants.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Got that the other day on my gaming computer. Very irritating.

Especially since I bought the computer in 2021 specifically to run the virtual cycling program Zwift. I'm not replacing it just to placate Microsoft. It's more than powerful enough to run Zwift and will be for years. I'm hoping the options for using Zwift on Linux pan out.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

It looks like the authors themselves are also interested!

https://zwiftinsider.com/zwift-on-linux/

This is interesting, I might give the application a try myself

[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe it is time for a new LINUX PC.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 hours ago

Or a new Linux install on your existing PC.

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 21 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Some group who hates Microsoft should just start doing their own unofficial security updates for 10 and slowly turn it into a Linux distro

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago
[–] fishbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"We and our 855 partners blah blah blah."

Odd that theverge decided to post this article. Not too stoked about 850 companies asking for my data in order to see an article about predatory business practices.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Even more irritating is when they give you the option to opt out, but you have to select every company individually. So you either give up on the article or let them steal your life.

[–] takeheart@lemmy.world 19 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Ah yes, there isn't even an option to permanently disable this popup, only remind me later. When the operating system is the nag ware. `

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Remind me later... in 50 years.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Those "remind me later" options should be illegal

Then again, just install Linux already and you don't ever have to deal with any of this shit.

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 3 points 1 hour ago

Yknow sometimes it'll cross my mind that this is a farce, that really it can't be that bad. But then I remember the backlash when windows 7 started doing online checks, and why I switched my computer before 11 was released. And I try to remember the last time my PC annoyed the shit out of me.. yeah since I had windows.

[–] roserose56@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

Duh ! Why you shouldn't? /J

[–] DimFisher@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Many people speak about security risks because there will be no updates, but the solution is simple, you install Linux on a new partition and do all your networking from there, I use Windows for some programs and games and that's it

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

So simple I can have my father-in-law do it. And support him over the phone from a few states away. Simple.

[–] fell@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I convinced my wife to dual booting Linux Mint. She uses it every now and then, but she primarily still uses Windows 10. I hope she will abandon it once she sees this. She absolutely detests ads of any kind.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Just get rid of Windows completely so the crutch isn't there. Use a Windows VM if you absolutely need to.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago

Ah their planned obsolescence lead to botnets that fuck every largo company... so that Microsoft gets looked at.

But the American way is to blame hundreds of thousands.. or even millions of individuals.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Having moved fully to Linux some months ago, I look at this kind of thing both with with a feeling of smug satisfaction and with cold chills of somebody who only now starts to fully realise just how massive, heavy and fast the incoming train they just dodged is.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 12 points 8 hours ago

It's really wild looking back at what we considered acceptable in the Win 7 era versus now.

[–] M600@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I still can't believe that so many PCs are getting cut off from software updates. Its going to be a huge security issue. There will suddenly be millions of unsecured computers being actively used. I can imagine that this will be allowed to happen.

I think Microsoft is doing this because they want to make the ultimate spy network with copilot or what ever they are calling it now. I really need to figure out how to get a single work app to work on Linux reliably. I use it for like 99% of my work, so a virtual machine is kind of useless. I honestly think I will need to wait for a native version of the app to be developed and who knows if that will happen.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I really need to figure out how to get a single work app to work on Linux reliably

what work app?

I use it for like 99% of my work, so a virtual machine is kind of useless

i mean, it depends on your computer (like if your cpu & motherboard supports virtualization) but you can in theory get a VM with pretty decent performance

on my m1 macbook i have a windows VM that runs very smoothly and i can effortlessly use a gesture on the touchpad to switch between them. it's pretty cool

on linux it's a little harder to set up (i had to pay like $100 for the software on the mac) but it's doable

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

MS: I want to make Windows 11 require motherboard features that make ransomware attacks more difficult so I can say it's more secure, even though it's merely a feature of the motherboard.

Also MS: Sadly, if your tech doesn't have these features you cannot upgrade and it will be insecure because I will not make updates for it.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Are you talking about TPM 2? Because I don't think that makes classic ransomware more difficult. Also it doesn't have to be strictly a motherboard feature, e.g mine comes without a fixed hardware TPM, but my processor supports fTPM, which has up- and downsides. But it works as a TPM.

Also MS: Sadly, if your tech doesn't have these features you cannot upgrade and it will be insecure because I will not make updates for it.

Technically, this isn't true, MS will continue to update Windows 10 and even individual users can receive these officially through the Windows 10 ESU program: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates

Not that I'm in favor of what they're doing, I think they should rather support older hardware with Win 11 and require modern features only on modern systems. But from a security standpoint, their decision is actually good, as it builds a secure foundation. Most private users will just do whatever on that foundation (e.g. run random stuff from the Internet), but I think going forward, this is the right choice, though probably for the wrong reason of doing Intel a favor.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago

SecureBoot.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 18 points 10 hours ago

People can’t afford groceries and Microsoft is over here saying this. So out of touch with reality.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Why in the world did Sun make such business decisions that it killed itself?

FFS, instead of open sourcing this and that, and banking on high-end servers, they could have at least tried at desktops.

If anybody remembers what Sun's perception was in 2003, they could have been selling desktop machines for Apple prices and nobody would bat an eye.

If Sun were still alive, this wouldn't happen. I think.

EDIT:

LOL, I've just stumbled upon another Bill Joy's interview where he too says that Sun should have gone the consumer way as a priority.

Just imagine having a Solaris PC in year 2024, that is, now. ZFS with snapshots, Zones, and as easy to maintain as OpenBSD while insanely functional. Probably SPARC hardware without Intel bullshit.

And I like to think that Java applets would still be a thing, instead of HTML5 and stuff, with security problems solved and a more elegant Web.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't sun bought by orcale not kill itself?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 121 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Those aren't prompts. Those are ads. Call a spade a spade. "Microsoft tries to convince Windows 10 users to buy a new PC with full-screen ads"

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm just a "normal person" lol but I have a 8 year old MacBook Air running I can't remember what version. I've never been forced to upgrade. Does everything I need it to. I told Microsoft to fuck themselves in 1998. Now at work, I've been stuck with PC's but that's on the company's dime, never mine.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

If your Air hadn't reached it yet, eventually it'll reach EOS and you'll stop receiving software/OS updates from Apple. While this won't force you to upgrade hardware, it does add significant risk to your online time, since vulnerabilities will go unpatched. But, again, an important difference, which you shrewdly point out, you're not forced or coerced to upgrade.

Edit: autocorrect

[–] dipcart@lemmy.world 69 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I use Linux at home but my work computer uses windows. Work just bought me a new laptop with windows 11 pre-installed and I got ads to upgrade to a new "AI capable computer" on the login screen. This computer is maybe 3 months old and there are already ads telling me I need to get a new one.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 8 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

🫢you don’t use windows enterprise at work?

[–] dipcart@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

We're a small nonprofit, so we usually just go with whatever is cheap and works most of the time. We don't have many issues with it, so I don't think its on the list of things to fix.

[–] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You would be suprised how many companies don't use enterprise version of windows andbjust use regular home ( pro even rarer ).

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 9 hours ago
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