Russia's "Peace Plan" is to actually take over Ukraine, and then the Baltics, and then Poland, and then Germany and the rest of the Central Europe, and then France and the UK, and rest of Western Europe, and then they'll take over the Atlantic Ocean and Iceland and Greenland, and then they'll come and take over the United States, state by state starting from the East Coast going to the West Coast, and then Hawaii, and then Japan, and then they'll autocoup themselves oblast by oblast starting with Vladivostok where they'll be dug in for months trying to make roads that connect to the rest of Russia but then they'll keep marching West and when they finally loop all the way back around to Lviv the whole West will be defeated and we'll all be speaking Russian and saying Hail Putler and the brave Galician racists will be rolling in their graves saying I told you so.

And that's why at least 4 generations of Ukrainian men need to be eradicated for American interests in Eastern Europe.

The Ukrainians seem to disagree.

What evidence do we have of that? A peace deal was already talked through, but fell through. It did not have any such provisions in it.

I don't think that's the case. It exists, Just demilitarized.

No, Russias peace plan is the separatist nations get to exist, and Ukraine doesn't get NATO bases so they can't build up a second attack any time soon.

Russia has been quite reasonable throughout.

There is almost no reason for them to fight.
Surprised it took this long.

Either side are capitalist oligarchs.

Russia gives them citizenship and the EU will still recognize old Ukrainian citizenship. it's like a win win. Whats the benefit to keep fighting, just strange.

If I would get conscripted - if just walk away if those are my choices or just surrender.