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Most people just want a good life. If we stopped seeing each other as the enemies the world could be better.

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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It’s by design. ~~Divide and conquer~~ Combine and conquer has been the playbook since they (anti-labor think tanks like the Progressive Policy Institute and others that seek to keep labor infighting) started studying group psychology.

FPTP contributes more than its share to the tribalism and poor infighting we see in the US and the UK.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cant tell if you are pro FPTP or against FPTP 🤔

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yea you mentioned divide and conquer then put images of the parliament with and without FPTP. Its easily misinterpreted to say that proportional representation is somehow "divide and conquer".

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That’s interesting and you make a great point.

From my perspective, I showed how a simple change to US and UK election laws can topple the two party system overnight.

Literally, if there are only two private parties run by private organizations of rich people, they merely have to divide us and conquer us. We are being puppeteered by a bunch of corporations that use identity politics to keep the poor fighting amongst themselves and people SLURP THAT SHIT UP BECAUSE THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM CODIFIES IT INTO EVERY DECISION.

Feudalism with a few more steps.

Interesting point, though and I can see what you mean.

Truly, if my comment were to make sense, I’d have to say they have “combined” and conquered.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I did not read it that way.

Like South Park on religion: "you're all so focused on the stupid little differences that you're not seeing the big, stupid similarities."

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The major difference is money. We should be banding together against the rich, but instead we distract ourselves with what we look like, what we sound like, where we come from, what team (sports, town, city, state, country, ...) we support, which sex we have, and a bunch of other things that divide us.

[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Aliens are here to unite us (/s).

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I don't see MAGA people as the enemy because they want to pay less in taxes. I see them as the enemy because they don't think my kids should exist in society and are actively passing legislation to make it so.

Delete this shit take.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It may be more directed at them than you.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Username checks out

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 19 points 6 days ago

I only see people as an enemy if they've declared themselves as such. I'm not gonna make the first move, life is too short to make enemies with everyone I meet. That said, if you've got a swastika tattooed on your forehead then I'm gonna take that as a declaration that you're my enemy.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

nah.

I can't have empathy for fuckheads that want to kill and imprison people based on their sexual preferences or their identity.

I refuse to subject myself to the torture of "working together" with people with fascist ideologies.

I cannot, and will not, coexist with Nazis.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I think op meant more along the lines of normal, everyday people, not radical extremists who hate everyone that isn't like them.

and by normal, I mean non hate driven people. I believe everyone is weird in some way, there is no "normal".

the way I described it to my son is everyone has the same right to be happy as he does, you don't get to dictate that to anyone. we love you for your weirdness and expect the same for anyone else.

[–] 01011@monero.town 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

White supremacists are not radical extremists in the West, they are the norm. They might be more nuanced than those who display overt bigotry but not by as much as they like to tell themselves.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

True. For example we are all made of ~~delicious~~ nutritious meats.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Bro discovered Christianity

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago

This is something we all need to remember

Have empathy and realize that people can have there own views. They aren't dumb because they disagree with you

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I have been struggling with this lately. I am staunchly anti violence and anti war, and yet, I am conflicted on how far I truly would be willing to go to cull classism, fascism, racism, transphobia , homophobia, misogyny, and pedophilia from the world.

These things are abhorrent to me, and I wonder how much of my humanity I'd be willing to sacrifice in exchange for even one of these to no longer being in existence amongst the ranks of humanity.

How much good does pacifism give to the world in promoting the better angels of our nature? How much harm does it do when those same principles allow the worst among us to march down our roads and drag away our loved ones in the night?

Two scenes from media I consume have lately continually resurfaced in my mind. One is this scene from Vinland Saga, where the main character's father confronts him when he finds his sword. The father is about to go off to war, and somberly asks his son who he wants to kill with his father's sword. This culminates with the father, who again, is about to go off to war, emphatically declaring to his son that he has no enemies, that there is no such thing as enemies.

The other is this scene from Star Wars Andor, in which a high level spy of a burgeoning Rebellion is asked by a compatriot (who wishes to quit fighting the Empire due to possibly being found out), asks what he sacrifices for the fight against the Empire. The monologue he delivers is chilling, acknowledging he sacrifices all things that make him human, he becomes like his enemy in order to defeat them. When he reflects on the question, and asks, "So what do I sacrifice? Everything!"

That...is what I believe I will have to give up in order for there to be a sunrise for the people I love tomorrow. I'll have to give up my humanity, everything. And I am afraid. I am selfish. I don't want to. But I don't know any other way.

The feelings that scene stir up in me resonate because that is how I feel when I think on the fascist cancer that has once again metastasized in America. Having no enemies... if only. Truly. Having enemies robs me of my humanity, because in fighting them I must bury my humanity. And I know that once I do that, there's no going back. There will be no redemption.

The thing I am struggling with is... am I the one who makes them my enemies? Or are they? And if the only thing we can agree on is that we are enemies...then what choice do we have when they come for me and those I claim as my kin?

[–] itsAsin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

i just wanted to say that what you wrote here is beautiful and it helps me clarify my thoughts. ♥️

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[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

I think if you peel back the ego, the "self" is just obligations that we've made to try to create an "identity" like "I have to draw I'm an artist". "Oh, I have to go to school because I'm a smart person and I don't want to XYZ."

It's all just fluff, or an illusion. If we were to truly be free of all obligations we would find out quickly that we are all the same consciousness wearing different masks. I am me, and I am you, and you are me. If you were to be able to switch perspectives with someone else I'd be surprised if it felt any different than being in your own body.

[–] Vanshaj@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

There is an old saying where I live:

वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् (Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam)

This means, the world is one family.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Every molecule that makes up our entire existence came from the fusion of a hot star, and no matter what it looks like right now, it will once again be both the precursor and the product of many more stars.

In that regard we are all identical and inconsequential.

[–] babybus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah, but also people have very different ideas of what good life is, and what stops them from having it.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

To paraphrase an old saw, there is nobody as mean as all of us

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No. Some people want to control other people because of their various sky daddies or a simple greed. And those are the ones fucking up your life. Everyone else could more or less get along, but fanatics, billionaires and other people hungry for control of others are actively make sure we don't.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 8 points 6 days ago

fanatics

Half of Lemmy users included in that group

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Paradox of tolerance

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