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Most people just want a good life. If we stopped seeing each other as the enemies the world could be better.

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[–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Idk one side wants to enslave, murder, and rape. The other does not.

Let's just be friends as they take away my rights and everyone I love rights away, we shouldn't be enemies as they hunt down and murder someone for "existing"

Maybe we shouldn't be friends with the enemy and fight against the regime?

This is one of the was Nazis came into power, by manipulating the mass thinking "oh we should all be friends" and now look what happened.

-a trans non-binary disabled person

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 17 points 6 days ago

There aren't only two sides to every issue. Thinking like that is limiting.

[–] yetiftw@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

solidarity means solidarity. other working class people are not your enemy (re: 1984). the all or nothing mindset accomplishes nothing besides closing your mind off to the plights and perspectives of others.

-also trans and disabled

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 6 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Idk one side wants to enslave, murder, and rape. The other does not.

Seeing people hold this kind of views is fucking depressing.

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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

It’s by design. ~~Divide and conquer~~ Combine and conquer has been the playbook since they (anti-labor think tanks like the Progressive Policy Institute and others that seek to keep labor infighting) started studying group psychology.

FPTP contributes more than its share to the tribalism and poor infighting we see in the US and the UK.

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Like South Park on religion: "you're all so focused on the stupid little differences that you're not seeing the big, stupid similarities."

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The major difference is money. We should be banding together against the rich, but instead we distract ourselves with what we look like, what we sound like, where we come from, what team (sports, town, city, state, country, ...) we support, which sex we have, and a bunch of other things that divide us.

[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Aliens are here to unite us (/s).

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I don't see MAGA people as the enemy because they want to pay less in taxes. I see them as the enemy because they don't think my kids should exist in society and are actively passing legislation to make it so.

Delete this shit take.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It may be more directed at them than you.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Username checks out

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 19 points 6 days ago

I only see people as an enemy if they've declared themselves as such. I'm not gonna make the first move, life is too short to make enemies with everyone I meet. That said, if you've got a swastika tattooed on your forehead then I'm gonna take that as a declaration that you're my enemy.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

nah.

I can't have empathy for fuckheads that want to kill and imprison people based on their sexual preferences or their identity.

I refuse to subject myself to the torture of "working together" with people with fascist ideologies.

I cannot, and will not, coexist with Nazis.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I think op meant more along the lines of normal, everyday people, not radical extremists who hate everyone that isn't like them.

and by normal, I mean non hate driven people. I believe everyone is weird in some way, there is no "normal".

the way I described it to my son is everyone has the same right to be happy as he does, you don't get to dictate that to anyone. we love you for your weirdness and expect the same for anyone else.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Bro discovered Christianity

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

True. For example we are all made of ~~delicious~~ nutritious meats.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago

This is something we all need to remember

Have empathy and realize that people can have there own views. They aren't dumb because they disagree with you

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I have been struggling with this lately. I am staunchly anti violence and anti war, and yet, I am conflicted on how far I truly would be willing to go to cull classism, fascism, racism, transphobia , homophobia, misogyny, and pedophilia from the world.

These things are abhorrent to me, and I wonder how much of my humanity I'd be willing to sacrifice in exchange for even one of these to no longer being in existence amongst the ranks of humanity.

How much good does pacifism give to the world in promoting the better angels of our nature? How much harm does it do when those same principles allow the worst among us to march down our roads and drag away our loved ones in the night?

Two scenes from media I consume have lately continually resurfaced in my mind. One is this scene from Vinland Saga, where the main character's father confronts him when he finds his sword. The father is about to go off to war, and somberly asks his son who he wants to kill with his father's sword. This culminates with the father, who again, is about to go off to war, emphatically declaring to his son that he has no enemies, that there is no such thing as enemies.

The other is this scene from Star Wars Andor, in which a high level spy of a burgeoning Rebellion is asked by a compatriot (who wishes to quit fighting the Empire due to possibly being found out), asks what he sacrifices for the fight against the Empire. The monologue he delivers is chilling, acknowledging he sacrifices all things that make him human, he becomes like his enemy in order to defeat them. When he reflects on the question, and asks, "So what do I sacrifice? Everything!"

That...is what I believe I will have to give up in order for there to be a sunrise for the people I love tomorrow. I'll have to give up my humanity, everything. And I am afraid. I am selfish. I don't want to. But I don't know any other way.

The feelings that scene stir up in me resonate because that is how I feel when I think on the fascist cancer that has once again metastasized in America. Having no enemies... if only. Truly. Having enemies robs me of my humanity, because in fighting them I must bury my humanity. And I know that once I do that, there's no going back. There will be no redemption.

The thing I am struggling with is... am I the one who makes them my enemies? Or are they? And if the only thing we can agree on is that we are enemies...then what choice do we have when they come for me and those I claim as my kin?

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[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

I think if you peel back the ego, the "self" is just obligations that we've made to try to create an "identity" like "I have to draw I'm an artist". "Oh, I have to go to school because I'm a smart person and I don't want to XYZ."

It's all just fluff, or an illusion. If we were to truly be free of all obligations we would find out quickly that we are all the same consciousness wearing different masks. I am me, and I am you, and you are me. If you were to be able to switch perspectives with someone else I'd be surprised if it felt any different than being in your own body.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Yup we're all idiots

[–] Vanshaj@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

There is an old saying where I live:

वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् (Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam)

This means, the world is one family.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Every molecule that makes up our entire existence came from the fusion of a hot star, and no matter what it looks like right now, it will once again be both the precursor and the product of many more stars.

In that regard we are all identical and inconsequential.

[–] babybus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah, but also people have very different ideas of what good life is, and what stops them from having it.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 5 points 6 days ago

Some are fascists. Some are not. That's a pretty big distinction.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

To paraphrase an old saw, there is nobody as mean as all of us

I think of people who vote for bad politicans as useful idiots.

The average voter actually believe trump will make things better. There are people to somehow still believe trump isnt a racist. I don't know whats going on with their brains.

Like, of course there are those who are bigots and want more bigotry in government, but there are also many who are not exactly hateful racists or misogynists, they simply aren't that smart and easily get swayed by social media posts.

Think of them as victims of a scam (well, except that this is a on a much bigger scale and have more serious consequences 🙁)

I mean I don't expect people to forgive them for what they voted for, I mean I personally would have a hard time being around those types of people, but like, would you tell your grandparents: "It's your fault you got scammed"

I feel like a hypocrite for saying this, because on an emotional level, I hate hate everyone who voted for the fascist. But then when I think about the situation with my rational part of my brain, I realize people are just idiots and fall victim to the fascist scam. Its not necessary the person, but its that this is what our species is. A biological machine that although capable of rational thought, can still be easily manipulated.

Yelling at a person and telling them that they are stupid isnt gonna get them out of the scam, but talking to them might.

We aren't in a civil war yet, there might still time for dialogue.

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