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Steve Lee Hayes, a 65-year-old American tourist, was arrested in Tokyo for allegedly carving family members’ names into a wooden Torii gate at the Meiji Shrine.

Surveillance footage led police to his hotel, where he was detained.

Hayes admitted to the act, which could result in up to three years in prison or a fine of 300,000 yen ($1,900).

The Meiji Shrine, a significant Shinto site, was built in 1920 to honor Emperor Meiji and Empress Shoken. The incident occurs amid a surge in international tourism to Japan this year.

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[–] Twitches@lemm.ee 130 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Prison would be most appropriate.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 80 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The fine sure seems low for defacing an important religious shrine.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Not sure that shrine in particular but I do think torii gates in some shrines are replaced somewhat often. At Inari they had business names behind them which I assume are the 'sponsors' of that torii, probably they pay to have the gate fixed and I imagine that brings luck to that business. In short, he might have been lucky to deface the least critical part of the shrine.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's good at least. I'd hate to think this was a century old (or whatever) torii he defaced.

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[–] boatswain@infosec.pub 5 points 5 days ago

My understanding is that the business names are there because Inari is a kami associated with merchants and businesspeople. They donate a gate, slap the company name on it, and Inari provides.

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[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (4 children)

He’s cooked.

For the unaware, Japan has like a 99.9% conviction rate after arrests, because they basically don’t arrest unless they’re absolutely 100% positive that they can secure a conviction. The suspect also has no right to an attorney, and police abuse is common; Even if you’re innocent, they’ll just keep you in an interrogation room without any food or water for 72 hours until you “confess”. They’ll literally just rotate cops into the interrogation room, without giving you a break for food or sleep.

And Japanese prisons are some of the strictest. You’re basically expected to remain silent, and every moment of your time is accounted for. You get like 20 minutes to eat each meal (in your cell) and then like 30 minutes of “recreational” time outside, where you’re expected to kneel in place in an empty courtyard. Moving to and from your cell is akin to old elementary schools where everyone would have to line up single file and silently walk from one place to the next while following the teacher. And that’s pretty much your daily routine for the entire time you’re in. You sit in your cell, slam down what little food you get, silently walk to the courtyard, silently kneel for 30 minutes, silently walk back to your cell, and slam down dinner before bedtime. Any deviation is dealt with swiftly and violently by the guards.

Japan has a very skewed idea of criminal justice, because the prevailing attitude is that if you’re in prison, you must have done something to deserve it. It’s sort of a cyclical problem, where their insanely high conviction rate means that the public already assumes suspects are guilty before they have even been convicted.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago

"Guilty unless proven innocent" is literally the law in Japan

the Phoenix Wright series was literally made as a scathing critique of the Japanese Legal System, luckily the absurdity appeals to the West even if the commentary doesn't.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Thanks for telling the truth, Alot of media like to show japan as a good country,like they wanna show certain countries as bad and good(I already knew some of the stuff but not everything mentione).

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[–] indomara@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Hmm, I happened across this video last week of a womens prison, and it doesn't seem quite so grim...

https://youtu.be/p8paAewtl0c

I also saw another video in a mens prison a while ago that showed them cooking all the meals, and it looked strict, but not so bad as you describe.

Of course these videos are propaganda...

Still, I would take a Japanese prison before an American one.

[–] x4740N@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

I'm really hoping this does change in Japan once the boomers fall out of power because younger Japanese people are also learning about the world online

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 100 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Put that fuckin Boomer in prison for 3 years.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Bordering on Gen X but anyone this disrespectful is still a boomer. They need to jail him. A fine is too easy.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago

Genx is 1965 – 1980.

At 65, he's 6 years too old to be Gen X.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Asshole should have his passport revoked on top of being jailed.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

He likely was, it's very easy to lose your passport and be thrown to the wolves when you misbehave in another country, especially in Japan and South Korea. They do not fuck around.

[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 11 points 4 days ago

What an arsehole.

[–] villainy@lemmy.world 86 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I could have guessed he was over 60 because he wasn't live streaming the whole thing. Just an old school asshole, not an influencer.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago

All that really proves is that people don't need YouTube to do things for attention.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 days ago

As he should be, what an absolute moron.

[–] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago

Like how dumb do you have to be?

... Checks timeline. Oh thats the norm...

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Oh. I thought maybe he ate a banana on an offering plate or something culturally ambiguous

He fucking carved his name into wood? That's never OK anywhere

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[–] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Looks like the Temu version of Bannon.

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[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 58 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Americans being dumb cunts. What a surprise.

[–] Tug@kbin.earth 43 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Like our election didn't give it away?

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The rest of the world has known this for years.

[–] Kayday@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

So have we.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Why people want to carve names on stuff... It's the same people who write their names on bathroom doors

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

No idea but it’s been going on for millennia

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

That’s a slap on the wrist if they only impose the fine. That should be a five year jail sentence at least.

You cannot act like a dick like this in other countries. Defacing a religious site no less.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

what a stupid fuck

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

Sounds like a great idea, maybe he should twerk in front of those South Korean "Woman of Comfort" statues next. /s

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (6 children)

America: making Japan worse since 1853 (with a brief pause in the mid-20th century while they did it to themselves).

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[–] x4740N@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Good, americans act like this and they get the consequences they deserve

[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

If anyone acts like this they get the consequences.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, that sounds like an American.

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