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[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 144 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Zionists really captured that platform.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 111 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Hey everybody has a right to a racist ethnostate how dare people criticize the idea.

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 68 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The same way I don't think we should capitulate to framing "cracker" as a slur, or to framing "black lives matter" as a racist thing to say, I don't think we should capitulate to framing things like "from the river to the sea" or "zionist" as antisemitic.

But, as a thought experiment, let's indulge in this doublespeak trash. What is a good alternative? So far I've got:

  • Israeli colonizers
  • Jewish supremacists
  • genocidal sacks of shit
  • Israeli apartheidists
  • Isreal expansionists
  • Israeli warmongerers
  • people in favor of the genocide and apartheid committed by Israel (in full, every time you need to say zionist)
  • modern day nazis
  • zionazis (technically not zionist!)

So all of this liberal crybaby nomenclature trash aside, I actually do think "zionist" is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too). While one faction of zionism pursued the nakba and massacres from fairly early on, and while this faction has been quite successful, there are other notions of zionism which do not entail murdering children or colonizing a country. When Netanyahu and Chomsky can both legitimately refer to themselves as zionists, I think it's clear that zionism is too broad a term to be useful in the current ongoing genocide and the ethnic cleansing that has been going on for the better part of a century.

[–] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

the problem is that about 75% of people have no idea what happened during the partition plan and 20% who do think what the Zionists did were justified (even pre partition/pre war/war time(

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[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 86 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Next, apartheid will be anti-Semitic.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How do you people propose to call them? Expansionists? Colonialists? Genocidists?

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

Israeli supremacists

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 62 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (13 children)

Calling zionism what it is shouldn't be discouraged with dog whistles masquerading as conduct policies.

At the same time I'd like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

There are a couple Jewish lead organizations that fight for the freedom of Palestine and have been very critical of Israel for many years.

Jewish Voices for Peace* is one group. I wonder how they'd feel about Twitches new policy. I'm genuinely curious what their opinion would be.

Edit - corrected Jewish Voices for Peace

[–] anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I know there's a lot of Christians involved but how do we know it's the majority? Young Israelis are raised largely around Zionist propaganda after all.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

There's about 100 million evangelical christians in the US, and a LifeWay poll in 2017 showed that about 80% essentially considered themselves zionists. That's 80 million. There's 15.8 million jews worldwide. So the non-Jewish zionists outweigh Jewish zionists by a fair margin. Heck, they outweigh the zionist and the non-zionist jews taken together by a beefy margin, even.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 6 days ago

the majority of zionists are christians.

us braindead fundies are numbered in dozens of millions and they largely support Zionism.

in rural US, radio glorifying genocide... it is very disturbing.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago

Which makes the blob anti-semitic for saying anti-zionism is anti-semitic.

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[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Waiting for the free-speech absolutists to boycott twitch for this (they won't)

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago

One of the orchestrators of this whole thing, Destiny, defends child porn and the use of slurs.

Ironic is putting it lightly.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 57 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Can we make Twitch a slur for terrible tech companies.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 30 points 6 days ago

All tech companies eventually enshitify and we would never be able to remember all of them if they all became slurs. Lol

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago

They already banned a swathe of pro-palestinian political streamers in the run up to the US election, so this is likely retroactive reasoning.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 35 points 6 days ago

How about "genocidal assholes?" Can they still say that?

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 40 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It's great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 36 points 6 days ago (14 children)

OK, so people can use the definition instead. In fact it might be more useful.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

But Zionism isn't a religion, it's a nationalist movement.

[–] PedroG14@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Okay, now streamers can get more creative when refering to a zionist. I think that 'bibi's removed' is a good term.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They probably don't like zionazi either. Neither this nor zionist is a code word for Jew. The entire political class, the great majority being Christian, and their donors are zionist, because going with the flow of AIPAC is path to get your candidates to also serve your oligarchist or Christofascist protections.

Netanyahuists or likudists or Mossadists or Epsteinists ok?

BTW, Chuck Shumer is going to allow a vote in Senate over this "criticism of zionism is anti semitic" law in US. Reddit also supports mods who recomend permabans over criticism of zionism already.

[–] Thteven@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/removed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetback_(slur)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spic

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur)

So yeah. Not that 'Zionist' is a slur

Edit: Really, shitty censorship bot? We're adulterating URLs now, and selectively only that specific slur? Gross on both counts

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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm willing to get this will increase the amount of actual ethnic slurs.

[–] wertyuiop@feddit.rocks 17 points 6 days ago

It's their goal. They want to conflate jewishness and israel because they need the world to be antisemitic.

Otherwise people would just leave.

[–] RiQuY@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago

Friendly reminder that selfhosted streaming exists (Owncast) or online alternatives like PeerTube.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Never used it and never will, but maybe we can make Twitch become a slur?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago

TBH people should talk about zionism and zionists much more.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 14 points 6 days ago

Once genz matures, public opinion on Israel will shift. I hope Israel enters the "and find out" stage.

Fuck 'em, disgusting parasites leeching on US might to commit a genocide. Americans will pay for this too...

next 9/11: why would anybody do this to us 🤡

sad reality many of us did not sign up to fund the genocide but AIPAC was able to infiltrated state and corpos from within while avoiding foreign agent registration.

our spooks are fucking useless...

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"How dare you use a word that means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate' in a way that explicitly means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate'!" - Twitch, active supporters and enablers of genocidal, imperialist, apartheid ethnostates.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago
[–] ghurab@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

sooo twitch declares the Zionist movement offensive? and should only discussed in sn academic sense? /s

wow twitch, very brave!!

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 8 points 6 days ago

Good thing I'm an anti-zionist then I suppose.

[–] lps@social.trom.tf 2 points 4 days ago

@Alsephina okay, how about "the baddies"?;)

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Twitch has become garbage anyway. I’m more on Kick for streams nowadays.

Anyway wasn’t “Zionist” suppose to be a good term for these murderers? Whether they make it a banable word, screw them. Those who defend Israel, their genocidal actions and claim that the land “belongs to them, the colonizers” are Zionists.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Twitch is garbage, so you moved to a platform ran by a gambling company, where rules practically don't exist, and the majority of the userbase is vehemently sexist and racist? That's a level of mental gymnastics I genuinely will never understand

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I really don't like the censorship of speech from either side. People have a right to choose their own words and suffer the consequences for the words they choose.

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