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[–] USAONE@lemmy.world 93 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I really dislike vaccinations being a political issue.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 58 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well, maybe we should stop teaching people that everyone's opinions are valid. That, and that there are people out there who want you to be uninformed/misinformed.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I just don't understand how not stopping people from easily preventing deadly diseases helps Republicans. It's their people getting the diseases and dying.

I really don't get them sometimes.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Reality is a threat to conservatives. Denying reality, in any form, weakens the arguments against conservativism. Claiming untruths is a quick and dirty way to determining who is in and who is out.

Anyone out is the enemy, and therefore evil. Anything they do, say, or believe is evil because they did, said, or believed it.

Anyone who is in is good. Anything they do, say, or believe is good because they did, said, or believed it.

Some may die of preventable diseases, but that's a sacrifice the conservative doesn't even acknowledge because fuck anyone who isn't me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but it's a loss in terms of votes. You aren't going to win elections if the people who vote for you are dying out because of what you are telling them to avoid doing.

[–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Short term vs long term gain

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you're being nice, you'd say they're contrarians.

If you're being not nice, you'd say they all suffer from oppositional-defiance disorder from decades of right-wing propaganda rotting their brains. Democrats say vaccines are good, therefore they must really be tools of the satanic child molesting one world government globalist cabal to steal our vital fluids and turn all of us into gay transgendered purple-haired soy-latte-drinking they/thems.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Sad and bonkers how all of this is actually completely true.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Back in 1980, Isaac Asimov wrote:

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’"

It is as true today as it was then. The only difference is that since the '80s, the Republican party has weaponized this cult and is using it to undermine our democratic institutions and they have been astonishingly successful of late. Their goal isn't to get their base to get sick and die. The goal is to convince their base that the intellectual elite, the people trying to give them healthcare and lift them out of poverty, are really their enemy. If the GOP base starts respecting intellectualism and, God forbid, educating themselves, then the GOP would be doomed. An educated base would eventually notice that the GOP is curtailing their rights, ruining their environment, shortening their lives, and all but enslaving them and their children. If a small fraction of the base should die and fall off the voter rolls, then that is a sacrifice the GOP is willing to make.

Personally, I had always assumed that such wilful ignorance would result in shorter lifespans for those cultists, and that a sort of unnatural selection would, if not end, at east manage the problem in the long run. But Trump and the pandemic have shown me that the cultists are able to out-breed even the most deadly effects of their ignorance.

[–] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Politics is the side effect. Blame the media for all of it. This all started when the media decided they could increase ad revenue by prioritizing antivax grifters who lie about everything to sell their snake oil.

If the media stopped promoting grifters, they would get less ad revenue, but humanity would be much better off.

[–] freeindv@monyet.cc -2 points 9 months ago

That's what happens when you take a shot that doesn't prevent the spread and force it on people, like what was done to us over covid. It's up to those who did wrong to rebuild the trust they abused

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The only person who should be able to "opt out" a child from vaccination should be a MD or DO, and they had better have a dammed good medical reason for it.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Doctors are susceptible to extremist indoctrination too. Just look at Frontline Doctors of America. They were aggressively pushing covid misinformation during the lockdown.

Plenty of sham Doctors pushing addictive prescriptions like opioids too.

People suck, regardless of education and career.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Doctors can also be held professionally responsible

[–] freeindv@monyet.cc -2 points 9 months ago

They were fighting for the truth

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

If you refuse to vaccinate your kids you shouldn't be allowed to send them to public school.