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[–] wildflower@lemmy.world 239 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Judging by the latest election, the number seams a lot higher, more like three in five

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 77 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

One in five do not think Hitler was all bad. Two in five think he was better than a lady who laughs sometimes.

[–] wildflower@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago

And the idiots that didn't bother to vote, accepted this outcome

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

My thoughts exactly. Wait though, actually that is the fault of Democrats, somehow. I'll get back to you on how

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 91 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fools never see evil until its at their door.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago

They see the evil but think it will be to their advantage because they aren't like "those people."

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[–] 5715@feddit.org 70 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hitler was nothing without the NSDAP and the fascist movement.

There were 915,000 Germans in the Waffen-SS.


In case you don't remember, what we're talking about here:

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[–] resetbypeer@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's like watching a horror movie. You know the killer is in the basement, yet people go and have a look while the audience knows what's going to happen. A classic fuck around and find out.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well we now know there are truly people stupid enough to do so.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This is how hitler came to power.

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[–] monsterpiece42@reddthat.com 52 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's not fair phrasing and will lead to high numbers.

Hitler wasn't "all" bad technically, he was just so bad that the good shouldn't matter at all. Pushing forward technology (VW Beetle, Autobahn) should is no way be justified by genocide (obviously).

A better question would have been something like "do you like Hitler overall?"

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

The full poll data: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Views_on_Hitler_poll_results.pdf

Do you think of Adolf Hitler as. . . ?

  • A completely good person: 1%
  • A good person who did some bad things: 4%
  • An equally good and bad person: 7%
  • A bad person who did some good things: 12%
  • A completely bad person : 65%
  • Not sure : 12%

So 12% felt he was at least as good as he was bad, 12% fell into the 'well, even a horrible person can do something right, and 12% were somehow not sure...

[–] monsterpiece42@reddthat.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is interesting, thank you for sharing.

I personally would tally this up as "12%" rather than "24%".

Or at least in my opinion, option "D" (bad person that did some good things) is most likely the closest to an objective answer and "E" (completely bad) is a totally acceptable summary. But both D and E both summarize Hitler as bad. The people summarizing him as "balanced" or "good" totaled to 12%.

To be clear, this is still horrific imo.

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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yes a question about Hitler being good overall is far better. Attempting to shove him into an all bad category is just dishonest and allows opponents a free win. The good absolutely should matter, because painting people as all one thing isn't accurate and makes understanding how things happen more difficult.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

What a terrible question. He was an awful person but obviously nobody is all bad.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 67 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

He only has one redeeming quality: killing Hitler.

[–] furzegulo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 weeks ago

but also he killed the guy who killed hitler

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[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is literally nothing I can think of that would make him good in any isolated field. For a long time people held the believe that he was pro environment and animal rights. But he also killed his own dog. People also say that he had a special aura around him. That he was very charming. But those people were likely like trump supporters today. My great grandmother actually got to see him before she fled Germany. She said that there was nothing particularly interesting about him except for the way he speaks maybe.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The question is still to vague. Obviously all of his politics were the worst. But the way it's phrased, you'd kinda have to agree he wasn't ALL bad if, for example, he made a pretty tasty pasta sauce. Like. Not that it'd be relevant. It's the vagueness of the question that I'm critiquing. Maybe I'm just having an autism moment.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

The more nuanced data: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Views_on_Hitler_poll_results.pdf

I was hoping that the 'not all bad' would be almost all of it. Unfortunately while it was half of it, a full half said Hitler was as good a guy as he was a bad guy, with an equal number responding unsure, which is likely leaning toward I don't want to give a socially unacceptable answer.

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Depends on how pedantic one wants to be.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

--Michael Rosen.

[–] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It doesn’t walk in saying, “Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”

Yeah but evidently it does, and people still choose it.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

American fascism certainly does say those things, but it's always other peoples' faces the leopards will be eating.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ok, I get it, but we really should avoid looking at things/people like Adolfy as black or white - that just makes it a meme & loses actual historical/lecture value.

With Hitler being a one-dimensional idea/meme/brand instead of a human (supported by humans with rational human causes) I'm afraid we are doomed to repeat the same cycle of mistakes.

What I'm saying is that instead of education we have strong propaganda (after a specific date) that taught us this Hitler brand was just & only bad, like it was a spontaneous event. Instead of a full person & a nation (again full of actual people) with voting rights in irl situations.
And propaganda isn't free, it's financially fueled, which means it wants something in return.

Monsters are humans. We need to remember that, despite what we are preached.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We've got to stop talking about "if" and "when."

It's NOW. This is happening. We are watching the rise of the next Hitler, now, live, today. This isn't hypothetical anymore - yesterday just gave them carte blanche to go full stormtroopers.

At this point, all of our conversations need to be about how we stay safe in the wake.

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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

We know, they just voted for him.

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

More than one in five apparently.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Definitely a lot more than that based on this election.

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

well, one thing i'll say in his favour: he did kill hitler.

(credit: jimmy carr)

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Kind of a loaded question to include the word "all" but I understand the lack of faith or respect for the USA right about now.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Well now he's going to be president.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Related: we've all heard the stories of a time traveler going back to kill Hitler before his rise to power. One common theme in almost all those stories is that the attempt fails, that's why history is as we remember. This morning has me thinking that maybe time travel was involved in a couple of Trump assassination attempts.

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

He wasn't "all bad", he apparently was very good with animals, like his dog Blondie. He was a vegetarian. And that's probably everything which wasn't bad. For the rest it's all completely fucked up bad. No doubt about it.

Oh and I just remembered he was very good at giving directions. "were do I need to go?" "Take the third reich"

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Apparently Hitler had a dog. So maybe reexamine your beliefs if you think dogs are good judges of character lol.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I mean he did kill Hitler, that's got to count for something.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Obviously, Hitler even gave credit to Jim Crow policies as being an inspiration for his generic policies.

The dixiecrats aren't ashamed of that, game recognizes game.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I'm completely against his policies and actions for obvious reasons. I hate Nazis.

Still, I could probably be convinced to say that he wasn't 100% bad in every possible way.

Even the most evil people are complex human beings. There may be something good inside them at some point to some person, etc.

"All" is a very powerful word.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think 1 in 5 thought : "well, he's kind with his dog and an OK painter, I can't in good faith say he's completely bad"

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

23 percent of respondents said Hitler was a "good person or an equally good and bad person" or "a bad person who did some good things," data from YouGov showed.

What a bullshit poll. So basically anyone who recognizes he cared for a dog is seen as liking Hitler.

Anyone who said otherwise doesn't understand spectrums and is generally using black and white thinking, a sign of mental illness

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

After last night, you don't have to prove we're dumb bastards to me.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

He did promise the masses a family land and a job. The same thing that every politician ever has promised.

[–] genXgentleman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

This is what happens when you start to dismantle the education system. We can thank Reagan and the Bushes for that.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

It has just happened. The liberty aura surrounding America has been broken.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I’m pretty sure we know now that that number is a lot more than we originally thought.

[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

U.S. opinion on the Nazi dictator remains more negative that it was at the height of World War II, when 25 percent of Americans said his ideas were correct

That's pretty surprising, you'd think when they were fighting him they'd hate him most

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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, Hitler passed some of the first anti-smoking laws.

That doesn’t excuse all the other awful awful things he did.

Also his anti smoking laws failed as the war went on longer and longer.

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