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[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 384 points 11 months ago (6 children)

The ebike subreddit is modded by the owners of Lunacycle. They actively remove posts about bad customer service/other issues from Lunacycle. I witnessed them name and shame some random redditor and accuse them of fraud because they posted screenshots of email correspondence that pointed out shady dealings on Luna’s part.

They use the general subreddit for electric bikes to funnel everyone into ordering from them.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 275 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

during the massive purge of rebellious mods, there was a huge opening for corporate shills to move into places where previous mods had kept them out. this phenomenon was widespread in many fan and specialty subs. Reddit admins were more than happy to let this happen, as corporate shills were also more than happy to be cooperative with Reddit admins.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 98 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Everything about Reddit's most recent changes has been openly about cracking the place wide open for corporate marketing. Everything good about it was because of how genuine it was, and it was genuine because for a very long time, the attitude was to shield it against corporate influence.

That's the only reason it became such a valuable place for search results: as the forums and blogs around the Internet went silent and corporations ravaged individual websites, reddit was a bubble of genuine interaction. It's not just Google's shitty algorithm, it's also because the Internet itself got injected with shit, and reddit was a safe haven. A deeply flawed one, but still, notably less fake and corporate than the web pages around it.

That's what gave it value.

Spez knows this. The admins have known this the whole damn time. That's why there used to be rules against self-posting content. That's why celebrities were only allowed to promote things in AMAS. To head off attention seeking, marketing, and corporate influence.

But the time came to make money, and they're burning it all down to accomplish that.

I will never not share this blog because it hits the nail so cleanly on the head it sails straight down to the core of the earth:

Stop talking to each other and start buying things

It's not just about ads, it's about the corruption of public spaces. The death of social media is when someone tries to start making money off it at the expense of its genuine human interaction, which can not exist in that environment unmolested, and will cascade into the platform's collapse over time. it's enshitification, yes, but it's also something else: "dehumanation". The drowning of the human element of your social platform through profit seeking.

[–] czardestructo@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've been through too many exodus, this post hits hard and true. Been using the net since 95 and have been a community refuge too many times. I'm really hoping federation takes off because I'm tired of rebuilding. Not sure I'll try again if this doesn't pan out.

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[–] FriendOfElphaba@sh.itjust.works 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I’m calling 1 year on the over/under for the introduction of blue check marks.

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 194 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm not used to seeing this with so many pixels.

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[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 168 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Member-only story

Medium wants me to pay them to read a story from "Homeless Romantic" who is listed as a "Ph.D. Rocket Surgeon & Aspiring Troglodyte"?

Are they fucking high?

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 55 points 11 months ago

well, whomever describes themselves in such a manner clearly is.

[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It's been a wonder that site ever got traction as something credible to get info from and not just a weird mesh of editorial, blogging, and long winded shitposts...

edit: That being said, fuck reddit.

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[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 164 points 11 months ago (17 children)

Is all bad online behavior "trolling" now? Isn't "shill" a better word for someone who is paid to surreptitiously promote something?

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 74 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Back in my day trolling meant something. It meant you cared enough to actually form a real argument that withstands scrutiny, just to setup for the rug pull. The better your polemic, the more engagement as people debated if you were for real or not.

Shitposting controversial hot takes or dog whistle memes is mid af, do better

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

From my understanding trolling meant exactly what it says it is: Trolling. I think people for some reason get this mixed up with trolls - as in the fantasy type monster. But I think it actually has to do with the fishing termtrolling where you cast out your line, and see if you can get somebody to take the bait. Once they take the bait, you take em for a ride.

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 107 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Fellow lemmings, I, for one, am glad that there are no corporate trolls trying to manipulate public opinions on Lemmy, it is the same warm, fuzzy feeling I get when I was watching multiple time Golden Globe nominated summer blockbuster, Barbie, now available on Blu-Ray and select streaming services.

I don't know about you, but I sure hope Barbie sweeps the Golden Globes next month (and then the Oscars next year.)

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] Prking@lemmy.world 106 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I popped over to Reddit for the first time since third party apps were cruelly shut down. It’s clear that Reddit has sunk to new lows. Obviously trolling and a marked decrease in the quality of content

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 69 points 11 months ago (8 children)

what I noticed is that posts have huge amounts of upvotes, even from small communities, and often no comments or when it does have comments its often very basic stuff, almost AI like

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They aren't even trying with those usernames, lazy.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 21 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, looks like the default "word_wordnumbers" usernames that reddit gives you if don't change them.

I wonder if that would be an easy way to detect botting by not filling in that field for them.

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago

Yeah, looks like the default “word_wordnumbers” usernames that reddit gives you if don’t change them.

This change is when I knew Reddit was going down the shitter. Automatically handing out default usernames instead of requiring you to pick your own. The only people that could possibly help are a) people with absolutely no imagination whatsoever, b) bots, and c) people making a dozen alts to puff up their main.

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[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

Well, if you're going to defraud investors by pumping up your numbers before your IPO, you might as well go all out.

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[–] hroderic@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That title is clickbait.

From the article:

In 2020, the Computers in Human Behavior study provided additional insights into the tactics employed by corporate trolls on Reddit. The study focused on the top 100 subreddits, analyzing the content posted within these influential communities. The results were alarming, with 15% of the top 100 subreddits found to have content that was likely posted by bots or corporate trolls, specifically aimed at promoting certain companies or organizations.

That's 15% of the top 100 subreddits contained some content that was likely posted by bots or corporate trolls.

https://archive.is/D60ep

[–] miridius@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Even just calling it a "new study" is already a lie

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[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And a significant part of the remainder are repost bots recycling old popular posts and comments in order to farm karma, which will eventually be sold to OnlyFans spammers, political ops, and corporate shills.

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[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 66 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It's not like one of the six biggest power janitors of Reddit has been caught multiple times wrongfully deleting posts, using bot armies to manipulate votes and accepting money from marketing agencies for "consultancy" in social media guerilla marketing.

It's almost like the company doesn't give a fuck what their unpaid help does to the userbase or content because they still gets investments regardless.

Fuck spez, fuck GallowBoob, fuck awkwardtheturtle and fuck Sam Altman.

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Corpreddit.

Lemmy feels very much like the old, old Reddit. When it was mostly IT folk and tech savvy people (talking about 2005-2010).

I think reddit peaked around 2015 or so. A much broader audience had found it. There was interesting content from a lot of people.

Now, it still has a lot of good content. But it is definitely past its peak

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[–] miridius@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The studies are from 2018 and 2020, "new study" in the post title is a complete lie

[–] XenGi@lemmy.chaos.berlin 37 points 11 months ago

Corporate trolls at it again!

[–] pastaPersona@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Reddit feels less genuine for sure, than it would have even as far back as 3 years ago. The mod purge probably accelerated things greatly but in general it’s felt like Reddit was going corporate astroturfing route for a while. Real discussions are very sparse compared to the amount of people telling you “to solve problem, buy this expensive thing!”

At this point the only thing Reddit has is a numbers advantage. The videos are no huge loss because at this point since you’re forced to use their (god awful) mobile app they either autoplay obnoxiously or automatically popup obscuring the comments (discussion is 90% of why I go to a forum why make it harder to see comments?).

The desktop experience is still okay but the constant pushing to get you to enable notifications is very irritating.

[–] Dieinahole@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Man. I zapped all my cookies the other day, and when I re-loaded reddit, it forced me into a new new version of the mobile site.

Now almost every single comment that isn't top level is hidden behind the 'more comments' button. When I click it, the whole page reloads, with the top comment and the one response. And a button for the next reply. And so on.

I've noticed since this change, almost no posts have any discussion any more at all. Which honestly. Why would you bother?

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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 49 points 11 months ago (4 children)

And people want Meta involved in the Fediverse, like reddit wasn’t bad enough.

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[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Downvoted for medium article.

I shouldn't have to make an account to view news.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 25 points 11 months ago

If it's on Medium it's almost certainly repackaged news anyway.

[–] Kethal@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Am I blind? I don't even see where it names the study. It just says Pew, who publishes many studies. Does medium expect me to search for their sources?

[–] bonnetbee@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago (4 children)

We should all calm down, buy a Twix and look forward to christmas.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

TBH I'm surprised it's not higher than that. Even back before the API changes it certainly felt like a lot of front page content was paid for.

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[–] SoyTDI@eslemmy.es 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

"New Study"

"Two significant studies, the Pew Research Center study conducted in 2018 and the Computers in Human Behavior study published in 2020"

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 31 points 11 months ago (4 children)

And another 50% is trolls working probono to be try and convince people that racism is the only way forward

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[–] Guajojo@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

IT IS WAY MORE The spez exodus made me realize the difference, you can tell the content/comments are from regular people here. Sadly that too can change once those actors see Lemmy as their new platform for propaganda.

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[–] miridius@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's amazing how much people will upvote something without reading it if the title confirms their biases

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[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (5 children)

You’re kidding yourself if you think they aren’t also on Lemmy.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This part was written about a study from a 2020 study:

The results were alarming, with 15% of the top 100 subreddits found to have content that was likely posted by bots or corporate trolls, specifically aimed at promoting certain companies or organizations. One of the most concerning findings of the study was that corporate trolls were not only promoting products and services, but they were also strategically leveraging positive news articles to influence public opinion.

IMO, I left at the great exodus and I thought it was at least double that before I left. We are not free from the shills here though. I don't know how you get around it tbh.

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Not like here on Lemmy. I assure you, I am 100% humon.

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[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You mean that wasn't some random wrestling fan or music fan I was chatting with? Fuck reddit.

In all seriousness, it was awesome 2 years ago, but the mods are fucking it up really bad. Lemmy FTW.

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[–] egeres@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

I know lemmy is fundamentally critic of reddit, but let's not forget if lemmy ever achieves a significant weight in humanity's attention, it's not immune to such disease. The problem is systemic, not inherent of a specific platform. Any place with a lot of eyes will be susceptible to manipulation, even more so now that we have tamed artificial intelligence to write texts just about anything. We as a community need to think about countermeasures to fend this off

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago (8 children)

They've taken over moderation too. I criticized a local restaurant that got passed down from father to son, and got banned. I did call the son a trump loving shitstain so that might've had something to do with it.

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