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Hi everyone! I want to be able to access a folder inside the guest that corresponds to a cloud drive that is mounted inside the guest for security purposes. I have tried setting up a shared filesystem inside Virt-Manager (KVM) with virtiofs (following this tutorial: https://absprog.com/post/qemu-kvm-shared-folder) but as soon as I mount the folder in order for it to be accessible on the ~~guest~~ host the cloud drive gets unmounted. I guess a folder cannot have two mounts at the same time. Aliasing the folder using bind and then sharing the aliased folder with the host doesn't work either. The aliased folder is simply empty on the host.

Does anyone have an idea regarding how I might accomplish this? Is KVM the right choice or would something like docker or podman better suited for this job? Thank you.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Maybe NFS share the drive from guest to host?

[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This, had the same idea for other purposes, sharing a folder from vm to host through network share is the easiest way. Every other solution looks more elegant on paper but has lots of pitfalls.

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Every other solution looks more elegant on paper but has lots of pitfalls

A very sane and fair comment.

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What would be the performance implications? Isn't virtiofs theoretically faster?

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not an expert.
Assuming it's internal I'd assume it's probably as fast as the guest nic allows?

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Fair. I will try NFS if anything else fails. Thanks :)

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I can try but I might end up in the same situation as with virtiofs. The cloud drive will get unmounted and I will end up with an empty folder when I try to access it from the host.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Absolutely not, NFS is a shared mount. Virtiofs is more complicated because it is emulating a block device.

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Then I will try NFS and get back to you. Thanks :)

[–] DetachablePianist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe see if 'rclone mount' solves the problem for ya. Rclone can often be a super handy swiss army knife for stuff like this.

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

The cloud binary is proprietary and it's not supported by rclone unless I find out how the binary works but I doubt it uses something standardized like WebDAV underneath.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You say it is mounted. Then you can share it in all the same ways as you would share any other of the VM's folders.

I am using SMB shares for that (but that is not always the best way ofc).

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

The cloud drive is mounted on the guest, yes, but once I mount it with virtiofs in order to share it with the host it gets unmounted and I end up with an empty folder. bind doesn't work either.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You don't

That is going to be painful and not beneficial

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I strongly disagree why this would not be beneficial. Could you expand?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You will need to mange the VM separately and the added hop (into the VM and then out again) will slow down performance and create another point of failure.

Why would running it in a VM benefit security? Couldn't you just mount it with fuse?

[–] GathererStuff@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because the executable is proprietary (and a bit legacy I would say) and full of telemetry, undocumented and the cloud service has no CLI, WebDAV or rclone support. I do not want to run something like that on my personal computer and I do not know how to use bwrap properly and don't want to risk it. I have since switched over to a podman container but I encounter the same problem, the folder is empty on the host (See my post here: https://lemmy.ml/post/22215540).

[–] S_S@lemy.lol 1 points 18 hours ago

I've used bubblewrap for many things and for a long time now, if you want to try that and have questions about it I think I can help, it is what I should have done in your scenario and what I have done much for the same reasons