This was so fucked up. I know presidents shouldn't be able to set things in stone, but it shouldn't be so easy for a petty president to just undo the all last ones things just cause they're a thin skinned bitch

[+] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Soooo wtf are these Cubans thinking? These embargoes hurt the people in Cuba. So Cubans in Florida are basically Republican women? As in, they'd gladly hurt those like them as long as they can feel superior?

[–] Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Absolutely. See also: increasingly conservative Mexicans in US border states who support building a wall.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Its the "pull up the ladder" phenomenon. You even see it in places you wouldn't expect, like US workers opposing student loan forgiveness proposals because they had to pay, and want to make damn sure everyone else has to go through the pain that they did.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

I watched an immigrant buy the house across the street and turn it into a compound, build a business with undocumented folk he kept in campers outside his house, and now that its established he ditched the campers, flys Trump flags, and advocates for mass deportation.

The "I got mine" mentality is strong.

[–] dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

The ones that made it to Florida were the former ownership class that had the choice of staying to face trial for their crimes against the Cuban people, or get on the boat. Occasionally a "politically persecuted" person or group would "escape" in later years. Usually these people either helped the CIA with their destabilization attempts or were just ordinary criminals that fled prosecution like many Americans go to Russia to do. The US was more than happy to accept both groups without any vetting as that helped their narrative that Castro was a tyrant making up charges.

Floridian Cubans, Gusanos, hate communism for the same reason anyone in the parasite class hates communism; they're mad the playing field was leveled and they had to answer for their crimes against humanity.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 6 points 3 weeks ago

The Cuban refugees were mostly supporters of the Batista regime, owners of sugar plantations, etc.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 66 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Well, the world certainly understands that the US holds a grudge. But Castro is dead. Feels a bit silly at this point

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

From everything I've read over time - it's not even the US that holds a grudge, it's been popular on both sides of politics to end the embargo.

But neither will since it means losing the massive voting bloc of Cuban-Americans in Florida, Florida itself often being a decider of US elections. They don't want the embargo to end and anyone who supports ending it losses their vote.

Their reasons seem to vary, from the worst being wealthy land owners who had their lands taken by Castro only wanting relations normalised if they get their land back to the more common escapees who don't want to normalise relations with the 'Castro government' ever, that Cuba needs to ditch the regime first.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 36 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Florida hasn't been a swing state in years, and it's not like Cuban Americans are ever going to vote Democrat regardless.

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[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Silly and grudge are very interesting terms to describe an illegal embargo that brings millions in the brink of starvation and poverty.

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[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 56 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Always the same map

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

looks like impunity

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 50 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (16 children)

This is the only map I can find where Israel disagrees with the US.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 31 points 3 weeks ago

Why is Israel voting against itself

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ah, the cracker index chart

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago

Less so that they disagree and more so that it would damage their propaganda potential too much

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[–] anachronist@midwest.social 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I used to believe that the Cuba embargo is due to Cuban refugee vote in Florida.

But that doesn't make sense anymore given that Florida is no longer a swing state. In fact it never really made sense since the demo that is very pro-embargo has always been solidly Republican and therefore unwinnable.

So what really explains the embargo? Quite frankly I think it's banana republic foreign policy and wealthy people in the US not wanting there to be a successful socialist state. For instance, the recent energy crisis in Cuba is driven by the Biden administration sanctioning oil tankers who visit the island. Why on earth would the supposedly pro-Cuba democrats do that? Who asked them to do that? Who had the clout to make them do that? Some losers in Florida who were going to vote for Trump in a red state anyway?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is correct, the US takes the threat of a good example very seriously, and has meddled in every single attempt at building any state, not only communist ones, that refuse to be controlled by US capitalists.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

NGL kinda shocked that the CIA wasn't involved with the Argentine junta.

EDIT: It was! Your map needs more red on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Argentine_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

[–] lemmyrolinga@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 weeks ago

"Do you know why there has never been a coup in America? Because there is no US Embassy there! "

Old joke from down here

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago

What a stupid policy.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 weeks ago

Axis of evil.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Embarrassing country to live within, but Hitler talk and our genocidal crusaders state make us the evil of greater proportions now.

[–] fedev@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

It's also a shame that Argentina, while it voted in favor, actually wanted to vote against.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgl4y6w2r33o

Not surprising because:

https://apnews.com/article/milei-judaism-hezbollah-israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-d8831369a6bc8a96205d4080d2b2045b

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just imagine if the UN had teeth for enforcement, at least for overwhelming votes like this. I feel like its one of the biggest oversights of the post WWII order they tried to make.

Big countries, of course, would never allow that, but still.

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[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

How the US Was Forced to Remove Sanctions on Zimbabwe

[–] KammicRelief@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Wtf are those colors, jfc... How bout a hand for us colorblinds.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This works?

[–] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

So much better, thanks!

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

welcome to the rules based world order that yankeestan is peddling

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago

blockade /blŏ-kād′/ noun

The isolation of a nation, area, city, or harbor by hostile ships or forces in order to prevent the entrance and exit of traffic and commerce.

The forces used to effect this isolation.

The shutting up of a place by troops or ships, with the purpose of preventing ingress or egress, or the reception of supplies.

"the blockade of the ports of an enemy"

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