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A lot less annoying then endlessly filtering content by community and user

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[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 80 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

The downside of that is the filter bubble or echo chamber effect. Question is whether Lemmy should be a fun experience for you or something to broaden your horizons a little

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can listen to people try to convince you that Russia's war is justified and that Tienamen Square never happened for a while if you want, then make up your mind and block them later ;-).

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It was super fun to be gaslit by people while I was actually living in Taiwan but yeah, gets old after a while.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean, personally I am not here to discuss politics or get the news. I'm here for memes and nerding out. All that real-world shit doesn't vibe. I wanna laugh.

[–] digger@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly. I want to be able to mention the fashion lizard, the bisexual twink doctor, and his husband the suffering Irishman... And for people to understand who I'm talking about.

[–] weariedfae@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I agree, the filters here are great. I don't mind the real world stuff but I filter your instance because I don't want to see furry porn.

(Not trying to be snarky, your kinks are not any of my business, hence the filter. My comment is meant to be genuine.)

[–] weariedfae@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Bruh. It's not an echo chamber to filter out literal Nazis and other stuff. Ain't nobody changing their mind from "spirited" internet debate and I don't need their garbage in my day.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you really mean "literal Nazis", that tends to support the hypothesis that you're not being exposed to much that contradicts your worldview.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

Tell me more about how you must listen to literal Nazis on a daily basis to contradict your worldview.

And if you don't think Lemmy has or has had to deal with literal Nazis:

Lol

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[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I feel like the term echo chamber gets thrown around a lot. Imo an echo chamber has to be highly specific. I wouldn't classify every monolingual person as trapped in an echo chamber for example. I would also argue against to idea of having to be weary of creating your own echo chamber online. Use social media how you like, the solution to echo chambers is going outside and touching grass not forcing yourself to interact with every community on the internet.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's an echo chamber whether you think that's a bad thing or not, only being exposed to one type of view point is what an echo chamber is. And people probably should be exposed to opinions they disagree with, but it doesn't have to be constantly, and it doesn't have to be when they're already stressed or tired, for the sake of their mental health.

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[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

As if the default Lemmy experience isn't a massive filter bubble in itself. I doubt hardly anyone here would want to federate with Twitter and Truth Social even though that would make your feed, in fact, less of an echo chamber. Hell, a huge number of inctances don't even federate with Hexbear, Lemmygrad or Threads.

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think it's pretty much impossible to fully get out of filter bubbles, but the only way to really get every view on everything is to be part of everything mainstream AND everything more underground. Personally, I don't feel the need to associate with any other social media. I think toxicity differs from being exposed to a different point of view.

Reddit has had the problem for years that if you tried to make a point that slightly differed from the hive mind's opinion, however eloquently you would put it, everyone would just pile on with their 'akshually' mentality and not even be open to any other viewpoint than their own.

And that's toxicity without even mentioning folks that would just say 'no' followed by hateful language.

I feel Lemmy is a far kinder, more balanced community where you can have a polite discussion about stuff. And OP is right, if a certain instance shows its users can't behave or have such different views than your own, you can just make them go away and enjoy the rest of Lemmy.

I just hope those users don't defederate from the rest of us so at some point they will have a more nuanced view of things.

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I feel Lemmy is a far kinder, more balanced community where you can have a polite discussion about stuff.

My experience has been much closer to what you described reddit to be. Lemmy is extremely unwelcoming of differing opinions.

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[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Counterpoint: filtering out the furry communities by blocking a single instance

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Eating poisoned shit isn't broadening your horizons.

[–] Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

That's my philosophy too. I like browsing all so I heavily filter with keywords and blocking. My community block list is approaching 600

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm reminded of a quote that goes something like this:

I've been thinking about the free exchange of ideas recently and come to the conclusion that it isn't an open market - it's a potluck.

Everybody brings something to the table and you're free to pick and choose the things that you want to try, but you're not obligated to try everything. Just because Karen put a piece of shit on the table and calls it a sandwich doesn't mean that you have to take a bite to know that it's shit. Similarly, we are not obligated to take white supremacists and other extremists' ideas and seriously debate their value. They're shit and can and should be treated as such.

The beauty of a self-curated experience is that you're free to engage with the things that you want and can ignore the things that you don't want to deal with. The risk of people isolating themselves is simply a part of having the freedom to choose your own experiences, the same as the real world.

Personally, one of the reasons that I'm here is because I have no choice but to deal with right-wing extremism in my daily life, and I don't want to deal with it online as well. Reading news articles? That's fine, but I don't want to see chuds screaming about DEI or woke or whatever in the comments.

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[–] vovo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It doesnt necessarily mean that importent things won't be covered. I just don't need fox news opinion about it.

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[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 52 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

People talk about filter bubbles, but there's a nuance here: on Lemmy, you're not being served up whatever the platform owners think you should see from an opaque algorithm. You're going to, by default, see cesspool content. You have to choose to block it.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

Unfortunately, the owners of your instance can also choose to block something for you.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

But that gets back to something similar to OP's statement. As in, you can spin up your own instance (though a not entirely trivial process), or you have the freedom to choose an instance that matches your style [edit: and people tend to gravitate towards an instance admin policy that matches their preferences].

Some people want some content blocked - e.g. NSFW, or even NSFL. Or even better, slap a label on each content item, which rather than have to choose between the binary options of forcibly remove or allow fully, offers each person their own choice to view or not. PieFed even has a NSFL/gore/gross tag that you can set, though only for posts ATM not comments.

I find the Fediverse really friendly in regards to NSFW/NSFL content, in that it is both here but virtually never unlabeled (ONCE in the last year iirc there was a particular spam account that got through...). Politicial or extremist content not so much unfortunately, so we're back to blocking or defederating, for those for whom consent of the reader of their messages means little to nothing.

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[–] RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago

I was happy today when I made a post on an obscure community and some guy just passing by on the "new" feed left a comment.

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[–] Sandbag@lemm.ee 27 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Doesn't this lead to potential echo chambers though. If I go and block all content I don't like, how can I have ideas that challenge my beliefs?

[–] passiveaggressivesonar@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Not everything has to have an opposing perspective, where's the opposing community for knitting? Tearing?

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Rip and tear, until it is done. And you can start knitting again.

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[–] azulavoir@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

Some people don't come to social media to have their beliefs challenged and that's okay.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Who cares? It’s social media, I come here for entertainment. Don’t let it form your opinions and believes. Read credible newspapers and journals from across the spectrum and go touch grass and have a civil conversation with a stranger if you want to hear ideas that challenge your beliefs.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

Personally I kind of don't want everybody to be like-minded, because that becomes an echo chamber. What I'm after on Lemmy is people willing to explore subjects objectively, without beating the bushes for enemies or competing for upvotes.

[–] fievel@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I think a bit the opposite: I'm really worried about the trend to give people only information they care about. I think it's essential to be able to have information about everything. Of course there will always be stuff you don't care about but having it automatically filtered out is dangerous in my opinion. In GAFA-powered social networks, you are only given pieces of information about your own opinion, you never have something that make you question yourself about your opinion. The power of independent and open media like Lemmy is to not rely on such biasing algorithms.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You don't have to use filters, just like you don't have to subscribe to subreddits on Reddit. You can just use the default front page if you are afraid of tailoring it to your tastes.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yep. I just raw dog All for the past 6 hours most of the time. The only communities I've blocked are the most active German ones because I don't speak German.

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's a nuance here that you're missing - self-curating your social media experience is vastly different from the algorithm hellhole that is the modern corporate social media landscape. You can filter out any dissenting opinions or facts, but you can in real life, too. And like in real life, it takes a lot of active effort to get to that point. Whereas the algorithm will do that for you without you even knowing it.

I'd say that self-curated social media is like going off to college or moving to a new city while the algorithm is like living in the town you grew up in. I grew up in a very liberal state, but there were about 3 non-white kids in my entire high school the year I graduated, and it wasn't until I was introduced to Tumblr in college in the late 2000s that I first heard words like "transgender." And Tumblr is the most self-curated social media that I've ever seen. Back then, you couldn't even follow hashtags - just people. So your front page was exclusively people that you followed and the posts that they reblogged from people that they followed.

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[–] arrakark@10291998.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think it attracts a certain type of person to Lemmy in the first place; someone who would have probably used the original Reddit back in the day

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

On the other hand, learning to deal with people you dislike is a useful skill. If everyone segregates themselves into opposing factions there will never be any progress.

Of course, I've personally blocked about 600 people...

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 13 points 3 weeks ago

Underrated benefit of Lemmy is that it isn't infested with bots the way its larger counterpart is. Reddit has really turned to garbage.

Lower quantity of content here, but more authentic

[–] subignition@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

There are some instances that lean in specific directions, but there are also several that are kind of just melting pots. For the most part I don't need to use blocks too frequently, but there are definitely some spaces/users that I find are too hostile that it gets in the way of their intended messaging. But then, that line is going to be different for everybody.

[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 weeks ago

It is the opposite. People join an instance which does not agree with their point of view. They get banned. They move to a different instance.

Echo chamber galore.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Yes, most people will want to do this at a minimum with Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml (actually most instances already have defederated with the second, but it doesn't hurt).

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago

o7 to the brave admins of Hexbear, Lemmy's tankie quarantine instance.

[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I'm on a Dutch instance and look at all the bs...

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Almost everyone is on Lemmy.world, so.... I don't know. Don't think they made a choice. People who are not on Lemmy.world made a choice at least.

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