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Something is wrong with this split-screen picture. On one side, former president Donald Trump rants about mass deportations and claims to have stopped "wars with France," after being described by his longest-serving White House chief of staff as a literal fascist. On the other side, commentators debate whether Vice President Kamala Harris performed well enough at a CNN town hall to "close the deal."

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Let’s review: First, Harris was criticized for not doing enough interviews — so she did multiple interviews, including with nontraditional media. She was criticized for not doing hostile interviews — so she went toe to toe with Bret Baier of Fox News. She was criticized as being comfortable only at scripted rallies — so she did unscripted events, such as the town hall on Wednesday. Along the way, she wiped the floor with Trump during their one televised debate.

Trump, meanwhile, stands before his MAGA crowds and spews nonstop lies, ominous threats, impossible promises and utter gibberish. His rhetoric is dismissed, or looked past, without first being interrogated.

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[–] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 40 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Don't forget the racism too!

[–] esc27@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago

"liberal media" outlets are either actually run by conservatives or so obsessed with trying to appear balanced, they end up downplaying Trump and highlighting Harris issues. Combine that with the pure propoganda from conservative media, and the whole industry has a strong conservative slant...

  • Real news: Trump praises Hitler
  • "liberal media": Trump praises WW2 leader, Harris eats pizza with a fork
  • Conservative media: FORK GATE 2024!!! Harris campaign in shambles!
[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Ended wars with France? Like when we deserted Afghanistan and left them in the mess we created?

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's not as if it was a beacon of prosperity and joy before the US came in. I'm not sure it arguably got better/worse during the time... It was different for the US occupation, and now it's back where it started. Lives lost, people traumatized, money thrown away, but at least some corpos got rich and PMC's had their babtism of fire... Onto the next one.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe a propaganda pic, but I’ve seen many other such examples

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[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's not that she needs to be perfect, but - unfair or not - she DOES have to make a case for a bunch of disconnected dipshit "undecided" voters and clearly show how she will tangibly improve their lives.

She already has my vote, but pretending people rolling their eyes at "I am going to add a Republican to my cabinet" is somehow a "purity test" isn't compelling. The day she replaced Biden on the ticket she should have had been shouting "we're going to bring our healthcare system up to modern standards and stop the barbaric practice of being the only major country on Earth with no universal healthcare solution" or "we're going to remove medical debt" or "we're going to tax all those billionaires like Elon Musk who are literally getting away with naked political corruption."

Yeah... I agree it's not fair... but whining about "fairness" instead of doing EVERYTHING you can with the hand you've been dealt in order to stop the lying McDonald's cosplaying fascist from slipping BACK into the office he almost toppled last time is absolutely insane.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Bingo bingo and bingo.

She pivoted away from the base to a non existent center. These have been the core ideological principles of the democratic base for decades. And she doesn't support them.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't anyone feel like this has been the case for a long time with anyone versus Trump?

Actually, let me back that up, this seems to be a major Republican thing actually.

Democrats will follow the rules and try out an exemplary candidate up for President (most of the time).

Republicans will skirt the legality of everything possible to win with a candidate who embodies the worst human instincts and activity.

Maybe I'm the only one who feels that?

[–] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

It's been true since he started the whole Birtherism bullshit with Obama, which was totally a lie and specifically racist. Bill Adair who started Politifact just started to advertise the reality of how bad the Republicans lie with his new book. Some info about it at https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/republicans-democrats-lies-bill-adair-fact-check-politifact-trump-b2631493.html

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

First rule of resisting tyranny:

Don’t obey in advance!!

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

This is the piece Robinson's fuming about, and he's absolutely fucking right. It was the most insane example of journalist circlejerking I've ever seen. Bunch of navel-gazing morons.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 15 hours ago

The problem isn't having a high standards for Harris. She is running for the most powerful position in probably the world, so she has to be able to do this. The problem is there is no standard for Trump at all. His supporters are fine with his low quality for lots of reasons, none that are helpful to the nation. The GOP is fine because of the votes he brings by being himself and saying things they think but couldn't say out loud. And the rest, like the media and the left and other country leaders are soft on calling a spade a spade because somehow pointing out the Emperor has no clothes and is shitting all over the furniture is not playing fair or isn't respectful or something.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 5 points 16 hours ago

Affirmative action for morons

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Can any of you honestly say you have chosen which of the two is better based on how they speak? I think most are voting based on what they expect them to do.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

It's been like this for nearly as long as I can remember.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 15 hours ago

Its the same with actual actions to. I just got done pasting a part of an article someone linked where the comment was about how under biden there is more drilling on federal land than trump but the salient part is he fought this but was blocked by a lawsuit from republican states. I have seen the same with his work with student loans. Its not enough. Its like dudes. Is half a loaf what we want. no. but its better than no loaf while wheat fields are ordered burned and salted. Maybe we should not vote for the guys trying to put the fire out because they are not putting them out fast enough vs how quickly they spread and should instead let the guys starting fires win and these other guys who have never put out a fire say if we vote for them they will put them out sooooo much better.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What else should the media do about it? It's not like Trump can be shamed into changing his behavior. It's not like Republicans won't completely dismiss anything he says. Even if they did wall to wall coverage about how he's a fascist, the third of the country that elects the president won't change their minds.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

What else should the media do about it?

All they need to do is fact-check his bullshit like we saw in the debate. A simple "reporters here at XYZ network could not substantiate the claims made by the ex-president, and found no evidence supporting them" would do nicely.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

That assumes he even cares about stating facts, or that his campaign won't spin it as "the media is mean to me" and it might make him do better.

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