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[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)
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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 23 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Kinda tongue-in-cheek questions, but: Honey isn't an animal body part, it isn't produced by animal bodies, so if it is an animal product because bees process it, is wheat flour (for example) an animal product because humans process it? How about hand-kneaded bread? Does that make fruit an animal product because the bees pollinated the flowers while collecting the nectar?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago

it isn't produced by animal bodies

Sure is, it's concentrated bee spit with sugar. And spit is made of water and body cells.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 24 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I've always found it interesting that using animals is a bad thing, but using plants in similar ways is fine. I guess there has to be a line somewhere, otherwise such a person would simply starve to death.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Animals aren't just used, they are tortured on a industrial scale. That's mainly why vegans oppose animal products.

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[–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

One good argument for this: A vegan diet not only minimizes animal deaths but plant deaths as well, since livestock obviously has to be fed on many, many individual plants before they can get slaughtered. So even if we for some reason prioritized saving the lives of plants going vegan would still be the way to go.

[–] within_epsilon@beehaw.org 1 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I respect this argument. I would like to know how Humans fit into the ecosystem.

Humans tend to remove predators from population centers to prevent Humans from becoming prey. The culling of predators allow more prey animals to survive. Humans find themselves competing with prey animals for fruits and vegetables. Humans hunt prey animals to increase yields of fruits and vegetables.

How do we reconcile that our population centers are built on the culling of predator and prey species?

How do Humans balance protection and food production with the morality of minimizing animal and plant death?

What should Humans do with the bodies of culled predators and prey?

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[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 8 points 1 day ago

It is really tricky to genuinely discuss this topic. Many omnivores use this as a straw man argument to discredit vegans for not being fully consequential. On top of that, reasons for being vegan and where people draw the line also vary hugely.

Anyways, I would argue that eating plants and also fungi is very different to eating animal products. First of all, if you are vegan for ethical reasons (as I am) then usually the argument is that one can infer from one's own feelings onto other animals. Sure, this isn't always that easy and we will never know how other animals really feel. This includes fellow humans btw. But it is certainly very definitive that many animals feel pain, discomfort and many other emotions not unlike we feel them.

Plants and fungi on the other hand have completely different body plans. Plants are modular organisms and you simply cannot relate cutting your arm off with cutting a branch. We may deepen our understanding on plants and maybe we will find some form of conscience one day. But this is still far off and for now we can only speculate. Fungi are very different as well and we usually just eat their fruiting bodies anyways.

Secondly, as someone else pointed out, for ecological reasons and for the sheer quantity that is necessary to sustain humans, going vegan is always the better choice. Animals live on plants, too, and just use a lot of the plants' energy on their own metabolism.

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