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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 144 points 1 month ago

Well shit, we knew that

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 107 points 1 month ago (3 children)

He's talking about how long young people will last on the supreme court. Still gross, but this article is click-baity and dumb with its premise.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ok, imagine Joe Biden said it.

Imagine the histrionics.

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

It would still be a dumb article.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's a bad look essentially saying you should only put young justices on the SCOTUS in order to control it for longer. However, that is not a dumb thing to say. It's logical if your goal is control, which his obviously is. It's why the lifetime appointments are so bad. It encourages putting young, less qualified justices on the court instead of older, potentially more qualified ones.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It applies and should apply no less to the most powerful office and single person in the world

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Especially since that person would probably love to remove the term limit so he can stay in power

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm not arguing that. But the point is different... He's talking about longevity, not acumen.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, it doesn't apply, at least not for the same logic. He didn't say that because the older people are less capable. He said it because a younger person will give you control for longer most likely. They're lifetime appointments, so the logical choice for maintaining control is to appoint healthy young people, not the most qualified people.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I follow the logic, but I would also argue if the chances are always higher of a sitting President to win the following term, the GOP would have been better off running anyone who had not already held office and can maintain control for a possible 8 years and not just 4? So he would be saying Republicans should have voted for Nicky Haley in the primaries.

Edit: Nah - I guess that is a bit different, because they could argue idiots already liked him, so he stood a better chance at getting back in and they didn't believe she could I guess

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The title is basically a blatant lie, easily shown to be deceptive simply by reading the article.

Yet look at this comments section and how many people have bought the deception hook, line, and sinker.

We shit on Republuicans for being idiots who support Trump, which is true, but it's almost like we are trying to out-stupid them.

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

it's almost like we are trying to out-stupid them.

Well I wouldn't go that far lol

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago (1 children)

every accusation is a confession

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Every accusation is a 40-minute impromptu concert to cover a dementia-addled man's sudden confusion by what all these people are doing in his house

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lol .... at this point they should just put him in a room full of about a hundred of his supporters and tell their leader that he is emperor of the United States. Then just feed them all AI generated CNN news broadcasts of his nation doing everything he wants. Let them all live like this until they die ..... none of them would probably notice the difference.

In the meantime, the rest of could go about our lives trying to save humanity on this planet.

[–] martyfmelb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I've seen this be called, "heavenbanning" — you are shadowbanned from a platform, but instead of just shouting into the void, the void caresses your ego with AI slop.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you used them as batteries, this would be the beginnings of The Matrix. I wanna be Tank so I can die off-screen between storylines.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I was also here for the Matrix with extra steps comment.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The guy is so fucking delusional it isn't funny. He was always a dumbass even back in the 80s.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I used to see him on Entertainment Tonight and think "this guy is an idiot. How is he so rich?"

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Inherited 400M invested in real estate and went bankrupt every time he really crapped out to avoid paying everyone. He still ended up worse off than an index fund until he became a reality TV star.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I'd come to learn it was mommy and daddy's money later. You should have seen my face when I learned that rich people just give their kids money whenever. I thought that the parents made them work for it in order to build character or some such other nonsense

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Considering the previous two elections, Trump just called the majority of the country idiots.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even Trump can occasionally be right!

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

A broken clock is right twice a day; however, a broken cuckoo clock is still cuckoo all times of the day.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Biden wasn't that bad a choice. I would have preferred someone to the left of him, by a lot, but I can acknowledge that he's done an objectively good gob, all things considered.

That infrastructure bill is already righting the economy. I think it could go further, but these things take time. Even so, we're in a much better position today than 4 years ago. We could be better, but where we are isn't horrible for where we came from.

So yes, Biden has enacted policy competently. Overall a C+. Maybe even a B- but there are things I'm unhappy with.

Like his DoJ slow walking the Jan 6th prosecutions, and not being aggressive about them. I mean, it was an open conspiracy to overthrow the US government. That had the wife of a Supreme Court Justice involved, along with about a dozen former and current Republican lawmakers.

The sentencing hearings for all of them should have been held last year, and yet most of them haven't even been charged.

Then there are the genocides.... I can understand the ones where the US is not involved at all (beyond them being organized on Facebook, we should be doing something about that after all...) but the genocide in motion that the US is actively enabling... that shit needs to stop for Biden to get that coveted A.

Still miles better than Trump... And due to First Past the Post, that's the options we have. Come November 10th (for incumbents that win, Jan 10th for the newly elected) I'll be sending letters to my congressmen, and anyone else who's address I can find, talking about voting reform. Real voting reform, not the flawed RCV bullshit. But things like Approval and STAR.

Harris seems like the sort of person who will at least focus on the DoJ, so carrying on the Biden policies, and maybe a few tweaks of her own, she'd be in solid B- range. Maybe up to a B+ if she enacts some actual social policy. But no A until the Genocides stop, or at least is US stops enabling them.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Harris seems like the sort of person

That quote and the fact that she isn't Biden or Trump is her 90% of her campaign as of this moment. Feel free to link me her official platform otherwise.

Thank you for your grading scale breakdown. My own scale is quite different. "No A until the genocides stop" is an interesting viewpoint.

Also, this whole post kind of came out of left field. Perhaps, you meant to reply to my other post from yesterday?

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mostly it started as a Biden was old, and was a fairly good choice to follow Trump.

So Age need not be a disqualifier on its own...

After that, I started rambling a bit.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

"But you're a 78 year old person running for president"

"Let's watch me stand on stage and listen to music for 45 minutes"

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

He forgot he's not 40.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He was talking about his supreme court appointees and how long they would last since it's a lifetime appointment and he put them in young. Merit and seniority never crossed his mind, only opportunistic gaming. He probably wouldn't be bragging about it if supreme court appointees were only four year appointments.

[–] insaan@leftopia.org 6 points 1 month ago

Any limit would be an improvement, even 10 or 20 years.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

only thing hes ever said with any truth to it

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

False. One time he said the economy does better under democrats.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

He’s both the joke and the punchline.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That was a loaded headline, since he was referring only to Supreme Court judges who get to stay in for as many decades as they'd like.

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[–] Texas_Hangover@lemy.lol 6 points 1 month ago

He's not wrong.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What an absolutely fucking ridiculous comparison...

I hate defending Trump, but this is the difference between LIFETIME appointments vs maybe 4 years, 8 tops for president... He's absolutely correct, you're an idiot if you choose an old person to be a judge for SCOTUS since you open up the possibility of them being replaced sooner...

In a world that isn't completely corrupted by partisan hacks we shouldn't care who ends up on the court, but because of billionaires we don't get to have that world...

BE BETTER MEDIA ASSHATS.

:/

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I hate defending Trump, but

Then don't. You aren't obligated to defend him.

I disagree with his sentiment. Higher turn over on the Supreme Court is part of the proposed Supreme Court reform.

Defending him because "nuance" is stupid, he doesn't have any, why project it on him? What has he done to earn it? This is how narcissists maneuver -- people's eagerness to see their good side; it doesn't exist for the narcissists.

[–] Wytch@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is like that "sanewashing" thing. "What he means is this..." no. No need to do him any favors.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But it's not even that. He said what he meant and then the chucklefucks looking for clicks went on with the "BuT HeS oLd ToO! HuR dUr, HoW dUmB!" when it's not the same comparison at all.

I guess I'm just sick of all large media outlets lately.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m just happy to see users calling out these bullshit articles taking shit outta context. I don’t have a ton of time to read the news. So I prefer my brief overviews of titles to be factual and contextual to what the authors implying. Which it’s the independent so already knew it was probs bs.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago

Just because he's an asshole doesn't make what he said wrong. I'm more angry at "the media" for trying to make something out of nothing for clicks. Their comparison is stupid.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

What's his beef with The Onion? Why is he trying to run them out of business?

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