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In June, the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) gave employees a presentation and tech demo called “AI-mazing Tech-venture” in which Google’s Gemini AI was presented as a tool archives employees could use to “enhance productivity.” During a demo, the AI was queried with questions about the John F. Kennedy assassination, according to a copy of the presentation obtained by 404 Media using a public records request.  

In December, NARA plans to launch a public-facing AI-powered chatbot called “Archie AI,” 404 Media has learned. “The National Archives has big plans for AI,” a NARA spokesperson told 404 Media. It’s going to be essential to how we conduct our work, how we scale our services for Americans who want to be able to access our records from anywhere, anytime, and how we ensure that we are ready to care for the records being created today and in the future.”

Employee chat logs given during the presentation show that National Archives employees are concerned about the idea that AI tools will be used in archiving, a practice that is inherently concerned with accurately recording history. 

One worker who attended the presentation told 404 Media “I suspect they're going to introduce it to the workplace. I'm just a person who works there and hates AI bullshit.”

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

great, now even the government records will make shit up. Is every manager just slowly being lobotomized by the business fad industry?

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Fantastic, just what public needs from a Government body: hallucinated official records!!!111!!

/sarcasm

I think this is in the wrong lemmy community, I recommend dystopian nightmare.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

hey boss, if it enhances productivity, does it mean we can work less hours?

[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

They should name the archiving ai Herodotus.. We really have entered the post truth era.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

This is how history becomes a fluid AI hallucination.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 38 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

How much more productive does an archive need to be? Hire human beings. Celebrate fucking humanity.

[–] doctortran@lemm.ee 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

My partner is an archivist, and we've talked about AI a lot.

Most people in their field hate this shit because it undermines so much of what matters in their jobs. Accuracy is critical, and the presentation of the archive requires humans that understand it. History is complex, requires context and nuance, and understanding of basic ideas and concepts.

Using "AI" to parse and present the contents of the archive pollutes it, and gives the presentation over to software that can't possibly begin to understand the questions or the answers.

There are more than enough technological advantages in this field to help with digital archiving, adding LLM doesn't help anything.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Working isn't a celebration of humanity.

Productivity is not the enemy, our economic systems which takes all the benefits of higher productivity and gives it to small percentage is.

[–] doctortran@lemm.ee 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This has nothing to do with economics. It's the national archive, not a business.

Productivity is irrelevant here. A big part of archiving is accuracy and presentation. All of which should be done by human beings. Period.

[–] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 minutes ago

All of which should be done by human beings. Period.

Currently, maybe. But technology is fantastic at accuracy, better than humans in many regards. Gemini might have a way to go before it gets there, but it or its successors will get there and it's moving fast.

Productivity is irrelevant here

I'm not sure it is. Productivity also refers to efficiency of services. If AI can make the services of the National Archives more productive for its staff and/or the public then surely that's a good thing?

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

break up big tech.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 29 points 11 hours ago

I'm just a person who works there and hates AI bullshit.”

Me, too, National Archives employee who chose to remain anonymous. Me, too.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I can see a function for AI here. Scan texts, Tag and keyword them at scale. Probably this was done already but maybe a new gen tool can do it better and faster. I'm just wondering if they actually have people that will look at this and develop best practices or is this just the.. here you go.. now be more productive, were firing 20pct staff. I know what they say they will do.. but let's see how this turns out.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Scanning texts is OCR and has never needed modern LLMs integrated to achieve amazing results.

Automated tagging gets closer, but there is a metric shit ton that can be done in that regard using incredibly simple tools that don't use an egregious amount of energy or hallucinate.

There is no way in hell that they aren't already doing these things. The best use cases for LLMs for NARA are edge cases of things mostly covered by existing tech.

And you and I both know this is going to give Google exclusive access to National Archive data. New training data that isn't tainted by potentially being LLM output is an insanely valuable commodity now that the hype is dying down and algorithmic advances are slowing.

[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

This is why I hate everything being called AI, because nothing is AI. It's all advanced machine learning algorithms, and each serve different purposes. It's why I'll say LLM, facial recognition, deepfake, etc.

Because I have no doubt that there are a lot of machine learning tools and algorithms that could greatly assist humans in archival work, Google Gemini and ChatGPT aren't the ones that come to mind.

[–] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Machine learning is just a specific field in AI. It's all AI. Anything that attempts to mimic intelligence is.

All the things you mentioned are neural networks which are some of the oldest AIs.

[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

AI used to mean sentience, or close enough to truly mimic it, until marketing departments felt that machine learning was good enough.

I'm sorry, a computer using matrices to determine hot dog, or not hot dog, because it's model has a million hot dog photos in it, is not AI.

LLMs don't reason. There is no intelligence, artificial or otherwise.

It's doing a lot of calculations in cool new ways, sometimes. But that's what computers do, and no matter how many copilot buttons Microsoft sells, there's no AI coming out of those laptops.

[–] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

August 31, 1955 The term “artificial intelligence” is coined in a proposal for a “2 month, 10 man study of artificial intelligence” submitted by John McCarthy (Dartmouth College), Marvin Minsky (Harvard University), Nathaniel Rochester (IBM), and Claude Shannon (Bell Telephone Laboratories)

http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/dartmouth/dartmouth.html

This is just literally not true.

Point 3 is what LLMs are.

You are thinking of general artificial intelligence from sci-fi

An attempt will be made to find how to make machines use language, form abstractions and concepts, solve kinds of problems now reserved for humans,

This is what artificial intelligence actually means. Solving problems that traditionally require intelligence

Path finding algorithms in games are AI. And have always been referred to as such. We studied them my AI module at uni.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

No that's the corporate perverted saleable product of an academic field

[–] femtech@midwest.social 1 points 5 hours ago

The first time I saw AI was on the N64.