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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not into Academia. But I'm aware of this issue. But I never understood why anyone will work (review) for free an article that is being used for a company for making money.

It's literally working for free so other people get paid. Why?

[–] spiffmeister@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

Because if no one reviews the articles then anyone could publish junk. In highly technical fields the only people qualified to tell if something is BS science are the experts in the field, so they review and make sure the article has some merit.

That's not to say the reviewing process is perfect, but it does at least help to filter some amount of bs.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

drivel*

Also wait, the STOP DOING MATH template isn't supposed to actually make a good point.

[–] Maroon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Argh! my bonappletea moment.

[–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

and your bone hurting juice moment?

[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They have played me for an absolute fool.

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Played us like a damned FIDDLE!!!

[–] 42yeah@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Obviously the one submitting the papers should not pay to influence the reviewers. Instead, it is the publishers obligation, who uses the service of the reviewers, to pay them. Just pay them the same amount if you don’t want to influence any of them & make the amount open and transparent.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Really though. You're working for free for a publisher that executes a massive grift.

You do it for science, kinda, but really what are they gonna do if everyone refuses?

Capitalism and science are wholly incompatable.

Science, I love ya, but can we not discover/invent our way out of this mess a bit more directly?

Also, hands of my cow piss! Its kept me cancer-free all these years for good reason!

[–] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm kinda curious about the effects of proanthocyanidins on fecal flora.

I want to know about the smell. My next door neighbor lit a match after one of my poops the other day.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, idk why that one got singled out. This is just about the effects of red wine and grape seed consumption on human digestive health.

[–] Zkuld@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

why did they have to be weird about it and include odor?

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because you can study not just the effects of the supplement, but also what kind of microbes are contributing to the types of odors. This study actually seems relatively decent I think.

Edit: Abstract from sci-hub copy.

The aim of this study was to evaluate the effects of proanthocyanidin-rich extracts from grape seeds on human fecal flora and fecal odor. Proanthocyanidin-rich extract containing 38.5% proanthocyanidin was administered to nine healthy adults at a dose of 0.5 g:day (0.19 g:day as proanthocyanidin) for 2 weeks, and proanthocyanidin-rich extract containing 89.3% proanthocyanidin was administered to eight elderly inpatients at a dose of 0.43 g:day (0.38 g:day as proanthocyanidin) for 2 weeks. Green tea extract and:or champignon extract, both of which have been found to have a deodorant effect on fecal odor, were administered in a similar manner as controls. In healthy adults, marked decreases in fecal odor and concentrations of methyl mercaptan and hydrogen sulfide in feces were observed during proanthocyanidin-rich extract intake, but the effects of green tea extract and champignon extract were weak. After 2 weeks of proanthocyanidin-rich extract intake, the number of Bifidobacterium had increased signifcantly (pB0.05), whereas the number of Enterobacteriaceae tended to decrease (p¾0.121). The level of putrefactive substances, including ammonia, phenol, p-cresol, 4-ethylphe- nol, indole, and skatols tended to decrease after proanthocyanidin-rich extract intake, and fecal pH also tended to decrease. Nurses and hospital aides performed organoleptic evaluations that showed less fecal odor in elderly inpatients with proanthocyanidin-rich extract intake than with champignon extract intake. In an in ×itro study, the proanthocyanidin-rich extract reduced methyl mercaptan and hydrogen sulfide release from the feces of healthy adults, and also reduced methyl mercaptan release from methyl mercaptan solution. The absorptive ability of methyl mercaptan was stronger in procyanidin oligomers larger than decamer than procyanidin dimer to tetramer. These results suggest that proanthocyanidin-rich extract from grape seed intake induces a reduction in the level of putrefactive products in the intestine, which may be linked to the modest change in the numbers of Bifidobacterium and Enterobacteriaceae. They also suggest that the strong deodorant effect of proanthocyanidins on fecal odor is due to the decrease of putrefactive products and the absorption of malodorous compounds from feces by the larger molecular procyanidin oligomers in the proanthocyanidins. Key words: proanthocyanidin, grape seed extract, polyphenol, fecal  ora, fecal odor.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Googled it and:

Gut microbiota: PAs can improve the diversity of gut microbes, and can increase the abundance of beneficial bacteria while decreasing the abundance of harmful bacteria.

Fecal odor: PAs can reduce the level of putrefactive substances in the feces, which can reduce fecal odor.

Fecal pH: PAs can decrease fecal pH.

Antimicrobial activity: PAs can have an antimicrobial effect on potentially pathogenic bacteria.

Prebiotic effect: PAs can have a prebiotic effect on beneficial bacteria.

Looks like I'm buying some seeded grapes for science!

Those al look like fun reads

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

tell all this to the institutions that subscribe to those vultures

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You either do that or fall behind :(

No one's gonna allow them to use Sci-Hub en masse