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One month after finance ministers met to discuss the Alberta government's intent to pull out of the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) public opinion polling by the Angus Reid Institute suggests there's little desire among Albertans or the rest of Canada to see Alberta leave the plan.

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[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Stop electing morons and this would be less of an issue

[–] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Us city folk tried. πŸ˜‘

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Dat rural voting block fml

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I'm sorry for my neighbors. People out here are more interested in punishing Trudeau than they are in improving their own lives

[–] 123@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I see so many F🍁ck Trudeau stickers on trucks. How does a person make their personality about hating on someone? It makes no sense.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

their personality about hating

Have you met their role models from America?

[–] JustADrone@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

they're more interested in punishing his father, but will settle for trying to make JT's life miserable by proxy.

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, my mother was pushed down the internet conspiracy theory rabbit hole by her idiot boyfriend over the course of the pandemic. Their latest dumbass move to was to relocate to Alberta because the political climate more closely aligned with their beliefs. Given that my mother is chronically ill, and it had taken years for her to find good specialists, I will not be surprised when I get the call that she's died early because her disease isn't being properly managed.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My bro is in a similar state, but not for conspiracy reasons.

I'm finding it challenging watching for a glimmer of reason or otherwise waiting for inevitable calamity. I figure as long as he's cursing me out, he's still good.

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I had to cut Mom off long before her move... The constant stream of agitated nonsense was corrosive to my mental health. I kept lying awake at night, trying to figure out how to battle the onslaught of total bullshit from Facebook and the far-far-right blogs that her boyfriend kept feeding her... In the end I figured that I couldn't defend against the entire internet and some dickhead who lived with her 24x7x365, so I walked away.

There's only two scenarios I can envision -- I get the call that she's been hospitalized and to come get her, or I somehow find out she's died. I'm not sure how I'll deal with either, but I'll know that she did it to herself by believing the bullshit over her last living relative.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago

Can't stop won't stop.

[–] Backspacecentury@kbin.social 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As if Smith gives a single shit what Albertans or anyone except her O&G backers want.

[–] JustADrone@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

see also: insurance caps, mining, abandoned wells, etc etc. Some company (via a rich guy) says we need to do (or not do) this? On it! Actual human people say we need to do something? WOKE LEFTY LIBERAL TEARS!

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is going to be the model for elections from now on.

Anger the population into electing an extremist party ... convince the people to elect the extremist party ... then after the election everyone wonders why the extremist party is doing extreme things ... spend the next few years complaining about the extremist party ... do it again at the next election cycle.

[–] BigWheelPowerBrakeSlider@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for exporting that south of the border. Or wait, is it thanks for importing that from south of the border? Either way, we all pay.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

With the advent of the internet, fascism has no more borders....

[–] BigWheelPowerBrakeSlider@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"Alberta's young working population and more jobs with higher wages has resulted in Albertans over-contributing tens of billions into the CPP compared to the benefits we've received," states a Government of Alberta video promoting the creation of an Alberta pension plan.

Aren't the high wages (and young people) predominately because oil/gas? Are those not national natural resources?

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Are those not national natural resources?

They are not. The government of Canada owns 0.56% of fossil fuels in Canada. The majority of ownership is by private corporations. Canada's natural resources have been sold to private companies. It's their natural resources now.

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

If you ever needed an example of rotten-to-the-core corruption, this is it, kids! :D

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Thanks, Stephen!

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The young people aren't because of oil/gas - they're mostly because Calgary and Edmonton are pretty decent in terms of services and actually affordable.

[–] Numpty@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

You missed the recent news that Calgary is now more expensive than Vancouver and Toronto?

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Better keep voting against your interests, Alberta!

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yup, they're going to do for pensions what they've done for healthcare!

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

And what they're doing for public education.

[–] DMerald@ttrpg.network 1 points 11 months ago

Checked out a town hall meeting about it. Pretty much the vibe I got was "I'll cut off my foot and yours as long as it makes Trudeau look bad"

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I fucking dare her

  • to try

And I fucking dare Albertans

  • to burn the damn -- passport -- drivers license -- house deed -- high school diploma

lol ;)

Edit: as a show of confidence, Smith voters should trade in their CPP stats over to her pension plan, indemnify her for blowing it on stupid shit like saving Christmas and fighting carbon taxes and deincorporating towns so they can form freedom villages and offering private schools charters that are actually diploma mills for the ignorant parents to charge the state to deprive their children of an education, etc. Lots of "work" to be "done" hehe

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

why does the photo look like instant meme?

[–] vowedaloha@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

This sounds a lot like the Brexit commentary when it was being started.

  • grandiose announcements of how much better it would be
  • how the 'rest of EU' was milking them dry
  • outright lies of what Britain was sending to the EU
  • false promises of what they would get when they left
  • and at the end muddle the conversations with tangential issues but make them sound like it is really really germane to the overall discussion
[–] ilost7489@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how accurate this is when over half of our province voted for someone pushing this exact policy. As an Albertan, I've never understood the independent pension plan. You now have less people paying into it meaning that is less expansive and beneficial to those who need it for zero reason. We also now have to take the burden of managing an entirely separate pension plan too

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago

I’ve never understood the independent pension plan

If you migrate to or from Alberta, you get nothing. The 'others' can suck it

And if you move to BC at 60 years of age, you still get nothing, you rest-of-Canada-lover you.

[–] Octospider@lemmy.one 1 points 11 months ago

Albertan voters decided to "fuck around" and now they are in the "find out" stage.